Dan.
In the face of an idiotic remark like that one its a wonder I kept my act as clean as i did.

Its a generalized but incomplete and disengenuous statement as many people from Jerseys political ideology do in fact believe that additional taxation and massive government is the way to go because that gets them off the hook when it comes to pulling their weight and accepting the responsibilities that come with individualism.
And they most certainly have a much different concept of what is “accountabilty’.

To say my statement was meaningless and useless leaves me little choice but try and help that person in defining himself.
It was a cheap childish backasswards attempt to demean an otherwise valid point only because he knew he couldnt argue with the basic principles I mentioned

Most of us here are Republicans..many Conservative. I am a moderate.

Let’s express ourselves w/o using profanity or rude remarks. Let’s stick
to the issues.

One poster says that some people like the idea of a heavy tax burden.

I suppose that is true, if you are not so burdened.

I read an interesting page in Glenn Beck’s popular book, and rediscovered
something I already knew..a small percentage of US citizens pay most
of the taxes, especially Federal. I also knew that a few thousand families
in Calfornia pay the bulk of the State taxes.

There is an argument about the regressive nature of payroll taxes, everyone required to pay the same percentage of their earnings.
This supposedly is unfair to those whose incomes are small.

Of course these people always fail to mention the credits that the IRS offers working people..it’s called the earned income credit.

New York is really 3 states..upstate, the suburbs and New York City, where
most of the big minorty groups live..Puerto Ricans, blacks, and of course
Jews. These people vote Democratic..but upstaters are not so inclined.

Anyone familiar with upstate New York knows that it has been in a depression for decades..long before the subprime mortgage debacle.

Entire communities (and I have visited some), have no downtown area worth speaking about.

The major industries, steel, lumber, tourism..have been decimated.
Garment manufacturers have relocated to right to work states..then to
Mexico, then to China.

The only viable industry upstate are prisons…lots of civil servants paid
a more than decent living. Many of those incarcerated are the blacks
and Puerto Ricans caught up in raids in New York City.

Don’t we all remember the lines..”way down on the Erie Canal”.
Well, the Erie Canal is now weeds, black snakes, and toads..get the
point.

The suburbs are mixed..Democrats and Republicans. Of course while
the City is Demoratic..one borough, Staten Island, blue collar and Catholic
is Republican and Conservative.

I mean there are still place which won’t allow Jews and other minorities in the metropolitan area. (Try buying a cabana out in Atlantic Beach or
the Hamptons).

I hope and pray that people in New York and New Jersey
send Obama and the Democratic liberals a message. we are tired
of the do-nothing President and his campaigning. We want concrete
results..

Hey guys how about the recent bankruptcy? This bank funds small
businesses like Dunkin Donuts.

Ive seen their ads on local (Los Angeles) TV lately. Gosh, I want a “twinke”, so maybe the bank will survive chapter 11 and not
go out of existence. ( In sure the liberals are not worried about
all the stockholders who have lost everything).

It’s really whose ox is being gored folks. Or as Marie said, “Let them eat cake”.

Hardly useless in the face of a president whos policies espouse the exact opposite and for a country who has seen the demise of such values in the last 9 months like never before.
These broad simplistic ideals are exactly what our government should be founded on you buffoon.

Not everyone wants less taxes.
many of you moonbats are just fine with marxist type wealth redistribution.

Not everyone wants smaller government.
You guys voted for Obama on the premise and his promises that government would fix everything. GDP growth and employment growth was only in the government sector, liberals arent complaining. You guys love big government.

Not everyone thinks they need to be held accountable, especially Obama whos constructed the most radical and secretive closed door partisan admin ever and has broken almost every campaign promise.

“These broad simplistic subjective ideals are meaningless and useless.”

That comment was useless and about as lame an attempt as I’ve ever seen at getting away from an incredibly valid point

Puh-lease.

Of course it does.
Ask Kathleen Sebelius who advises manufacturers what the requirements are.

Are your stupid semantics meant to imply that I’m saying they make the vaccine in White House premises ?
Whatever Jersey.
The fact is that getting vaccine to the public falls on Obamas administration.
They failed to meet the quantities and deadlines they set.
If they cant do that then they sure as hell cant run healthcare.

Baltimore Sun;
“Obama adviser David Axelrod says the manufacturers of the vaccine were wrong when they advised the administration earlier this year that they would have 40 million doses ready near the end of October. Instead, only 28 million doses of vaccine were available.”

“About 9 million doses trickled onto the market in the past week alone, and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday that site visits and other checks suggest production problems “have in large part been fixed.”

“We are checking and double-checking,” she said, acknowledging how the limited supply makes it difficult for people to get vaccinated.

For about six weeks, the government repeatedly said there would be about 45 million doses of swine flu vaccine ready by mid-October, down from an initial early summer prediction of 120 million doses. Only around Columbus Day did officials get word from vaccine manufacturers that delays were worse than the companies had acknowledged — and long lines for scarce supplies persist around the country.

The lesson from sharing what Sebelius called the earlier “pretty rosy scenarios”: Be cautious about setting overly high expectations for the coming weeks. So while officials hope to be back on track in November, Sebelius offered no specific dose predictions Wednesday.”

Losers.

JMJ

Anyway, I believe that this “GOP civil war” will continue and that there is the strong possibility that 2012 might see a third party challenge – though from the centre rather than the right. Indeed, I could even imagine a principled conservative like Lindsay Graham leaving the GOP to form a Lieberman/Graham ticket (or Giuliani/Graham). I think Lieberman could be Churchill to Obama’s Chamberlain (though just as Churchill was wrong on India, Liebrman is wrong on health-care. As I have said before, the only two people who could thwart Obama’s foreign policy agenda are Joe Lieberman and (sadly) Hillary Clinton.

Puh-lease.

Look, everyone wants less taxes - for themselves. Everyone wants less spending - for the programs they don’t like. Everyone wants more accountability - for everyone else. These broad simplistic subjective ideals are meaningless and useless.

JMJ

It more than likely wont matter what you call it because the people have started to make clear that they still want lesser government, lesser taxes and accountable spending.
Yeah, even if it were true that the majority of the country wanted nationalized healthcare. The people still wouldnt trust the government to run it. Go ahead, make my day, pass the bill. It’ll be the single largest screw up this country has ever seen (besides the last 10 months, election included) and will leave a brand on the forehead of the dems for decades to come much as the new deal did in what complete failures they are in fiscal policies. Pass it please, I beg you, get the pain and intrigue over with so everyone can wake up that much sooner.
This administration cant even generate the vaccines we need, they’re 70% behind after almost 8 months of warnings and deaths, and theres actually idiots out there who expect them to run our healthcare ?

JMJ