You have no quotes, articles or relative facts and you cant argue with history.
All you have is the same repeated mistakes that you want to try all over again.
Go back to the last debate we had on this in Dec. I listed and itemized all the failures you are suggesting we do again.
You’re down to arguing insignificant crap that does nothing to prove your point which basically means that my position has legs and your sliding outta here on yer belly buddy.
Bye.

JMJ

Another fabricated crock that involved glutal exploration.
The ideolgy of Nazis was crushed to were the only thing left now are few redneck stragglers.
They are motivated by hatred and the wishs for genocide against the entire Jewish community. Homeland or not, they will still pursue killing Jews.
They say so everyday in print across the entire middle east and even in this country.

WISE UP !!!
THIS IS THE HARD COLD TRUTH !!!

” All told there are roughly 11 million of these people expected to be satisifed with a homeland the size of Vermont.”

Aside from all the crap previous in that paragraph, their homeland (s) have been divided. They should be dispersed amongst Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

“The Palestinians are no more an existential threat to Israel than Al Qaeda is to us”

Sheer unadulterated stupidity as booth of them have killed thousands and have promised more of the same.
Ignorantly, ideolistically, ridiculously, childishly… stupid.

You idiots actually want a prosperus and economically viable terrorist state existing right next door to the people thay want off the map.

If that is not the dumbest damn thing I’ve heard in a long long time, I dont know what is.

You cannot refute the facts, present and historical that I put on the table, and you have no plan that hasnt been tried and failed.
Your relevance in coming to anything productive is non existent.

The rest of your crap is just more moonbattery trying to look like some kind of moral equivalency to justify a peoples wish to wipe out an entire people.

A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often….

The reason I say that you “want to commit genocide” is that it is the inevitable conclusion to this particular strategy of meeting violence with violence. For every one of these enemies you kill, you make many more enemies, because every one of these enemies has friends, family, community, country. These people are not motivated by some political ideology, or really any ideology, but by want of a national homeland, and that’s why their position is so violently intractable.

When the Japanese and Germans surrendered at the end of WWII, it was with the understanding that they would remain in their native countries and preserve the native lands, religions, language, holy places, traditions, security, institutions, and culture of the people. The only thing the Germans lost was the Nazis and their war machine, and by then most of the people were glad to see them go. The only thing the Japanese lost was the war machine - they didn’t even lose their emperor (though the public shame brought an end to the dynasty’s power).

The Palestinians have very little to lose and everything to gain. They have lost most of their native land. They have been relegated to an inviably oddly shaped stretch of two small patches of disconnected land. They have almost no natural resources, very few ports and other points of trade. Very little infrastructure and very few realistic options for building one because of the odd shape of their territory and terrain. They have no friends to help them, but rather just neighbo states who all for their own reasons seem to find it in their own interest to keep the Palestinians in their perilous predicament. Almost half of the Palestinian people are now nationally displaced, scattered around the globe. All told there are roughly 11 million of these people expected to be satisifed with a homeland the size of Vermont.

The Palestinians have known war and only war for so long it has become a part of their national culture and identity. It’s who they are. When you look at people’s around the world who have known such conditions for extended periods, you see that it’s very difficult for them to mature politically. When the Palestinians voted, they proved that point, electing the militant Hamas party to power. Now, given that reality, it would have been smart to realize that this was inevitable and so the best way to deal with that would have been to deal with Hamas in an attempt to mainstream them, ala Sinn Fein. But instead, the Palestinians were aksed to vote, they did, and they were rewarded for their inevitable exercise of their right by Israel and America essentially cutting them off. I understood why they were so politically immature, but I’ll never understand why we were.

My point is simple - what you guys want will never work unless you kill them all, and that would be a huge mistake. The entire world would never forgive us or trust us again, and you couldn’t blame them. The Palestinians are no more an existential threat to Israel than Al Qaeda is to us. There’s no excuse for committing genocide in the Middle East. And most certainly, the want of some Muslims to commit genocide does not allow for a moral equivilance on our part. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a terrorist yourself.

JMJ

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http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/02/bow-your-heads-you-heathens-cardnial.html

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1059908.html

“Netanyahu said last week at the World Economic Forum:
“neutralizing Iran’s leaders would reduce the danger posed to Israel and others by Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah militants in south Lebanon. “We have had two wars with two Iranian proxies in two years and Persia has now two bases on the eastern Mediterranean,” said Netanyahu. He went on to say: “”I think we are going to have to deal with neutralizing the power of the mother regime.” The “mother regime,” of course, is the country of Iran, itself. ”

“We have never had, since the dawn of the nuclear age, nuclear weapons in the hands of such a fanatical regime,”. He said Iran’s possession of the nuclear bomb is the world’s greatest challenge at the start of this new century ”

Its pretty safe to say that with Netanyahu running the show in Israel he’ll do pretty much what he wants, and knowing Netanyahu he more than likely doesn’t trust Obama. I doubt he’ll be looking for guidance or input from Obama when recently Ahmajinedad compared Obama to Carter.
Probably the only true thing he’s ever said.
If you go to the link and read more of what Netanyahu had to say you’ll see that he is offering cooperation with “moderate” Palestinians, so I doubt if anything does happen we’ll be looking at some sort of “genocidal” brutality as you claim we all want.
On the other hand, and as we speak the White house is drafting letters of apology to Iran for our supposed mistreatment of them in the past.

“The report says the letter seeks to assure the Iranian leaders that the US does not want to change the regime in Iran, the US merely seeks to change the behavior of the Persian state.”

Good luck with that.

Ahmadinejad: “Those who say they want to make change, this is the change they should make: They should apologize to the Iranian nation and try to make up for their dark background and the crimes they have committed against the Iranian nation,”

Hmm… What about all the stunts they’ve pulled against us ?
I mean, wasn’t this schmuck one of the hostage takers when they raided our embassies and bases ?

Although the statements netanyahu made seemed to focus mostly on the nuke threat from Iran and that it be neutralized in itself, if you read into it a little deeper you can see that he also mentions “the power of the mother regime”.
Well, that power is not only limited to it having a nuke in the future. That power that is existent right now as the funding that Hamas and Hezbolla receive from Iran.
So you see, I’m no genius Jersey. Many people realize that Iran is the real honcho in all this and must be dealt with. If you don’t, everything else is just political posturing.
A strike on its facilities will probably be the warning shot. And if that doesn’t do the trick I’m sure that with Netanyahu running the show there will be more to come.

Another over loaded line of crap thats only purpose is to demonize a people who want to defend themselves.
Thats what the left does when common sense and what really works is presented.
They come out with over the top senseless untrue statements like that one.
Whats next ? Hitler ? Nazis ?

Genocide by the way is exactly what the Palestinians and Hamas wish upon the Jews.
But of course you ignoramouses wont face up to that and instead defend what are the true genocidal maniacs.
Whats even worse is that these people have said that this is exactly what they want to do, threatened it and attempted it.
So when the retaliation is equivalent to the threat you run from reality and claim brutallity against the victims.

“That’s your great idea. It AIN’T gonna happen.”

Well, at least now you have no choice but to shut up and stop saying we, or I , dont have an idea.
And I’ll tell you something. The odds of it happening are a lot greater than you think when you do the math as everything you so stupidly keep recomending has been tried over and over again and failed.

Whats your solution ? Besides the same old failed policies ???
You’re the one who hasnt brought anything to the table that hasnt been tried and failed and yet for some ridiculous reason you keep screaming at everyone for a solution and look right thru them if its not what you want to hear.

” Israel knows it, we know it, and here in the real world,”

Which real world ? That little space between your ears that keeps thinking that these two can co exist next to each other when they never have been able to, no matter what stupid plans you try ? ?

“as opposed to conservative comic book land, everyone knows tat “taking out” Iran, committing gencide in Syria or the occupied terrirtories are simply not viable options no matter how much you bloodthirsty cons wish they were.”

I think I’ve proven to satisfaction that you are the comic book king here buddy.
You’ve only made it all to evident that not only are you some comic book junkie, you dont even have the common sense to turn the page and move on to what needs to be done.
And your simply too scared to read the ending.
Hopefully Iran gets stupid enough for us or Israel to blow their a$$es away which would make Israels job that much easier seeing as how the source of funding for Hamas would dry up.

Once again, dont forget, its not us who are the bloodthirsty ones here.
We also have tried the peace treaties, processes and cease fires along with land gives and aid but as adults realized at a certain point they arent working and are supporting the next real solution.
Thats what adults do, they make the hard decisions that no one likes and follow thru on them.
Thats why it cracks me up when you say that the right “refuses to act”.
We are the ones that finally had to act on Iraq and Afghanistan while you dingbats triied to justify evil.

On another note, and what really makes me physically ill is that you SOBs choose to support a terrorist regime that wants to kill all of America and give total disegard to the one country in the middle east that treasures the same values as America does.
Israel is our ally in the war on terror and supports us for the same reasons and values we support them.
Yet you want to appease and apologize for the one thing that threatens it all.

Well buddy, looks like Ive dwindled you down to being nothing again, nothing but a bunch of false over stated accusations, more prophetic predictions and opinions that you seem to think pass for fact.
Suffices to say that I think I’ve made it clear who our ally and enemies are also.

JMJ

You can play this game all you want, but ht efact is that I just laid out an alternative to you in detail.
You just wont accept it and so you go about your immature way pretending that no one ever said anything.

“Does anybody else think its insane to believe that Iran or North Korea would commit national suicide by firing a nuclear missile at the US?”

That reminds me, while Israel is at it they had better take out Iran also.
First only because they need to do so before they come up with their own nukes.
Second because they fund all kinds of terror activities, mainly of course Hamas.

“secure the borders, let the UN or NATO in there to ensure the peace,”

There you go again, cant get around that big block in your brain that wont let you remember that what you suggest has been tried and failed.
The UN is useless sack of sh*t and borders wont stop the missles so that would render NATO useless also.

“Three generations of Palestinians now know only of endless war.”

God forbid you actually toss in a little sympathy for Israeli whos lives havent exactly been a bowl of cherries either.

“Just adolescent, unrealistic, hypocritical, useless, status quo, pyrrhic chest thumping.”

Once again, you make the same claims that any intelligent human could see that I just shot down on the last post with realistic scenarios, facts and examples of how they’ve worked in the past.

Your approach will fail, it always has.
But, its like that with everything liberals do.
You’re all so stuck on yourselves and self centered that you think you’ll be the ones since the beginning of man that can make tthings work that never have worked.
We may believe in an intangible diety and have faith in it.
You on the other hand wont even have faith in something as real and tangible as the facts of history that show such approachs have failed.
You keep sticking your hands in the fire regardless of past lessons learned.
Or should I say NOT LEARNED…
You do know the description of insanity , dont you ?

Yup, you guys are right there man.