I’ll simply reiterate what I’ve said before. Israel needs to set its borders and then enforce them. Recently I’ve come to the conclusion that it should not include the west bank or Gaza. They should announce unilaterally that Pali’s will not be given a contiguous state. They will be given 2 contiguous states. What a deal! Gaza and the west bank will be treated as two separate countries. Let the Pali’s work out the details of government and representation. Heck, it’s like two countries now between Hamas and Fatah. You want to elect one guy to represent both countries? Fine. Whatever. At least Israel won’t be the smallest middle east country in the region any more.

Now, when the inevitable attacks come from the new countries, Israel goes to official war with a country. That country is subject to all the international rules of warfare and Israel can sue for equal treatment. In fact, Israel should sponsor these new countries for recognition in the UN in a gesture of goodwill and brotherhood and a way to get them subjected to the Geneva conventions.

After each war and each imposed peace Israel needs to claim a little extra land. This is ours now. Get back into what you have left. Not too much, just enough for a new settlement to announce that this is now forever part of Israel. If the Pali’s want to continue to make war then they better learn how to build skyscrapers so they have a way to live in the 5 square miles they have left. No, don’t integrate the people of the area into Israel. They lost. Get out. This is ours now. You can’t send them to another country, though, so you have to leave a bit of land.

This is similar to the stalemate we’ve always had except that Israel has to reiterate its UN recognition as a legitimate state and demand that it do the same for the Palestinians. Fight for the right of Palestinians to have their own two countries. It’s a 3 state solution. No right of return. No Jerusalem. Until Israel says definitively, “This is ours. Now and forever”, people will play them. Israel has to get its own house in order and have the Knesset ratify it.

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DUH ?

Are you and I the same ?
Can you anwer any of my questions as to why the wide spectrum of individual differences there are we see in cultures and induviduals ?

No, because I’m right and you said a stupid thing.
Again.

JMJ;
“Toma, I didn’t call you anything or guess where you come from.”

What another crock.
JMJ;
“So either you don’t know them or you are just a bigot.”

Yea, you can play that game where you say that you actually didnt say that , but anyone who was born yesterday can plainly see that you’re either calling him a liar or a bigot.
There was no blanket assertion. He was talking about a sect of Muslims in Africa
How freaking ignorant does one have to be to assume that he can or cannot believe that someone he knows nothing about actually has or has not met a muslim in his life, or that they are all the same ?
Are they all identical ?
I knew a black Muslim from Chicago who worked for my dad in the 60s. He was the sweetest kindest soul I ever met. At 13 years old I was left with a general impression of Muslims at that point.
And you Jersey are actually going to tell me that all Muslims are like this guy ?
And you have the nerve to tell people that their concepts of reality are flawed and they live in comic book universes ?
Well, if thats true for me then all I can say is that you’re stuck in freaking Alice in wonderland high on about 10 hits of acid if think all people are the same.
Instead of answering questions or indulging in the conversation you go directly to the “Cuz I said so ” mode.
Which basically means you’ve run out of intelligent answers.

people are people.
a rose is a rose.

Brilliant, sheer brilliance.

Micky, people are people, that’s why they’re called “people.” There’s not all that much from one person to another. As for Toma, I think his blanket assertion about Muslims is just plain silly.

JMJ

You say that its maybe becuse of the contempt he had for them that resulted in the way they treated him.
Could it be possible that its the other way around ? And that there are huge Arab/Muslim communities that have contempt for Americans ?

I run into the same thing here in Hawaii with mainland Chinese people.
The Chines that is raised here in the states is pretty much like the average American. The marry out of their race, they dont care about who comes into the family. They are a product of American culture.
The ones that come eher on vacation or have just immigrated from mainlans China are rude, arrogant, selfish and would never ever even entertain the thought of having sex or marrying anyone outside of their own race.
Their culture has made them what they are and nothing like the Muslims you have met in NY or the 5 Chinese girlfriends I’ve had in my life.

And then theres the monsters whithin our own american community.
if we are all so much the same then how can you categorize some as being from ‘flyover’country ? And why do we have skinheads ? Black seperatists ?

No no no buddy, we are not all the same.

Just the fact alone that there are liberals and conservatives should cancel that ridiculous argument right away.

As with the Palestinians, they are a culture that has been bred upon hatred and discrimination and are nothing like the ones you have met who probably moved here to get away from such hatred.

By whos definition ?
Yours ?
Certainly not in the definition that applies here. Nice try at the semantics and word games again but any schmuck knows exactly what I mean.
Thats the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard.

If you think I am anything like a murdering terrorist punk then you can go perform intercourse on yourself.
And other than the physicality of it all I am nothing like you.

As a culture these people are nothing like me, maybe you, I dont know, but its a good question because you seem to want to justify what is basic evil by saying its “subjective”.

If some man where pointing a gun at my son and was using his son as a shield so that I could not stop him from hurting my son I would kill both him and his son in a heartbeat to save my boy.

That is the difference between these people and me and dont you ever forget it.

Also, you have never been to Africa, have you ?
You’ve never been amongst an Arab community that has not been effected by or exposed to American values or lifestyle.
What Toma was using as an example is far from what you chose to use an an example to justify a rotten stinking culture that does exist whether you like it or not.

No Jersey, the epitome of stupidity and ignorance is to ever ever ever think that we are all the same, maybe created equally, yes, but never ever turn out the same.
Freaking liberals ! You love to lay claim to everyones uniqueness but when needed to make an argument like this you say we are all the same.

Cant have it both ways, sorry bub.

And then you generalize Toma by assuming you know where he lives (and at the same time told him never to assume anything about you) and say he’s from “flyover country” while being bigoted about people from “flyover country”

You also show your ignorance by trying to make a point that all muslims are like the ones you have met.

Quit while you’re ahead, you’re blowin it bigtime.

You prove my point. Name calling? I’m a bigot from backwardville way out here in the “Fly over”. Therefore “I” don’t understand??

Toma,
Fly-over USA

You should never ass-u-me what I do and don’t understand.

I’ve known plenty of Muslims. I’m from the NYC area, not Flyoverland USA. They are regular people just like you and I (well, maybe not you, since you seem intent on seeing them as less than human). I fact, I don’t think you know them at all, and if they treaated you with contempt, perhaps it was a reflection of how you looked at them. I happen to know a particular Syrian family pretty well. They are well-to-do, probably much better off than you, and are as secular as I - and I’m an atheist! I know a Lebanese girl who is so sweet, so beautiful, so kind hearted, you’d chop off your left leg just for a kiss. I’ve known Indian and Pakistani Muslims who are the most industrious, friendly, and educated people you’d ever want to meet. I’ve known Palestinians who you’d never even know were Palestinians unless they told you. So either you don’t know them or you are just a bigot.

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“Not all human beings are just like you and I.”

I’ve got news for you, Micky, by definition, yes, they are.

JMJ

keep dreaming.

As soon as everyone wakes up to the situation as its been presentd for 60 years the sooner it will end.
But no.
Like fools they keep this delusion alive that one day it will work.
Maybe one day it will work. But so far all the experimentation and attempts have yielded misery.

Its like a bad marriage where the couple wont agree that it just wont work and they keep trying and each time it gets more and more violent.
And then when you do get a divorce the b*tch keeps pulling a Fatal Attraction on you.
Like Clint Eastwood, we need to just kill the broad already.

You don’t understand the Muslem. I was in direct contact with Arab Muslems in the 60’s, Kenya, Ethiopia, Egypt and Sudan. They treated non Muslems with contempt, as if we were deceased and could contaminate them. We were not quality humans to them. They would tolerate non-Muslems when to their advantage. Otherwise not.

The Muslems I see in the news casts every day are the same Muslems I saw in Africa. They are not human beings like you and I.

Toma,
Watonga,OK