Many of them know it, at least at some conscious or unconscious level, but they don’t care because it gives them the illusion of security. But it’s only an illusion, because, as history testifies, it has never been sustainable.

And thanks for letting me know about the Stossel interview.

Gov D Paterson, If it exist we can tax it.

http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2008/12/put-down-the-mountain-dew.html

Monica Crowley

Communal ownership of labor is what unions do. By not letting have any employee hold any more stock in his labor than the next guy, to level out the field for everyone is terrible damper for any incentive other than to do your time and go home.
Merit and failure so not exist.
Much like communist societies, they fail.
That is why we see so few of them today. Its catching on that it just doesn’t work as well as individualism in the work place.

I’ve worked union and non union houses.
Climbing the ladder in a union operation was always tedious thankless task that cheated anyone who had more to offer than the next guy.

In a union house I would get paid an hourly rate of about 20.00 to do an ice carving that was priced to the customer at over 300.00.
Cost of the ice was about 35.00, labor was 20.00. overhead maybe another 20.00.
In a private house I could charge what I wanted, what my services were worth.
The guys who sucked got fired or were given crappy scheduling.
The guys who were good at what they did excelled past those who had been there much longer and had ample opportunity to kick up their product and work ethic but choose not to out of simple complacency.
There is competition in a private house, incentive is given to try and be better than you were previously or the guy next to you as management has the liberty to reward achievement and discourage failure.
What you end up with is a staff that not does settle for the status quo and always strives to improve on any standard.
You end up with a company that is competing within and as result is more able to compete outside in the market.

Unions don’t get this, they forget that without a decent product the customer is not happy.
Instead of pumping money into the product in the first place they insist that building the company from the top down is the way to do it by making management pay employees wages that the current revenues cant handle.

If you’ve got a decent product and a competitive work place, everything else will follow.

The unions wont bend in this case, they will only make limited concessions that are not going to lower the cost of operations that will allow these three to succeed.
Eventually we will have spent billions of dollars just to keep these guys afloat thru the holidays so we can see them all in the unemployment line in a few months

Yeah, I’ve seen him before. He’s just like all the others. They keep ranting about what’s wrong, and never hit the real problems, only being critical of what turns out to be right. They aren’t able to make the connection between what’s wrong, and what caused it. It’s pretty pathetic. You do a great job of debunking him.

I just wanted to use answering him as a seqway to getting the Stossel video on. Actually it’s only a partial, but this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZpDjxIPpFc
…is the whole thing that clearly makes the connection between government micromanagement and failed societies.

WHAT ? No way !
You actually said that and meant it ?

“If anything, it encourages the repression of poorer foreign peoples and reduces our capacity to earn enough to ensure our own freedom. ”

Not really. It ecourages competition and encourages countries otherwise lacking to get off their butt and do something better.

What a crock of spit Jersey.
Our original settlers, most of em died from starvation because trade was not free but dictated by the government.
Since then you still people making exuses to try and instill a system of oppression. Systems that are based on socialism and communal or collective ownership.

You dont even know what you’re talking about.

“but the real, tangible efforts labor needs today are nowhere to be found.”

Its there. But as long as the left keeps trying to convince labor that they dont have to do spit to get paid you might not find it.

“the dems want orderly mass legal immigration”

Thats another line of crap.
Anyone who thinks what you think is lying to themselves.
Not wanting a border at all is about as disorganized and inviting anarchy as it gets.
You guys want illegals to vote, have drivers licenses, free medical without paying taxes, free school without paying taxes,.
The jeft doesnt give a rats a$$ how they get here, as long as they can vote.
But you screw yourselves because they take the jobs that you say you want for the union workers.

Anyone who cant see that is an outright idiot.

“the gop wants disorderly mass illegal immigration. Anyone who thinks otherwsie is a sucker.”

No, we just want them to use the front door.
As far as suckers goes.
You’re the proud owner of that bridge you keep offering to sell me.

“blue collar criminals get caught and suffer greater punishment”

Because they’re dumber and went with liberal priciples in the first place.

How convenient that you compare blue collar criminals to the white collar criminals you say are out there because they never get caught.
Really convenient to have an invisible culprit boogeyman that no one has seen.

Yonason.
I have shown Jersey massive documentation before that proves all his assertions wrong or false, some were even lies.

No matter what the facts he’ll be back tommorrow saying the same thing

Wild and sweeping generalities not supported by facts. Typical Leftist paranoid fantasies.

Get some facts…
http://www.strimoo.com/video/13187323/Is-America-Number-One-1of3-Dailymotion.html

Socialism is a dead end.

” I would imagine that most white collar criminals are republicans and most blue collar criminals are democrats.”

And that’s all it is, your imagination. The reality, about which you haven’t a clue and couldn’t be bothered, does not conform to your nightmares.

Try giving references when you make your assertions. It will force you to deal with realities, and who knows, maybe some facts will penetrate your obtuseness. It could happen.

And remember, union-busting has been a pretty bipartisan endeavor over the years. In recent times, the democrats have been a little more friendly than usual to labor than the GOP, but the real reforms that would help labor - reindustrialization, fair trade, national healthcare, orderly immigration - have not been forthcoming from the democrats either. The democrats put on a nice show for labor - much as the GOP puts on a nice show for the anti-illegal immigration constituents - but the real, tangible efforts labor needs today are nowhere to be found.

The difference between the dems and the gop when it comes to immigration is simple, yet mostly misunderstood - the dems want orderly mass legal immigration, the gop wants disorderly mass illegal immigration. Anyone who thinks otherwsie is a sucker.

As for most criminals being of one party or another - I would imagine that most white collar criminals are republicans and most blue collar criminals are democrats. That would make their numbers about even for both parties. The only difference would be that white collar criminals get away with their crimes or get off relatively lightly, whereas most blue collar criminals get caught and suffer greater punishment. To a sycophant of the wealthy, like you, this probably seems fair, but to most people it’s an obviously disbalanced class war in favor of the wealthy.

JMJ

“First - Free Trade and Deindustrialization.”

Yes, people like freedom

Second - The rise or the non-union service sector.

Free Trade and Deindustrialization would be the reason for that.
(Being able to bargain based on your qualifications, attributes and viability helps too)

“Third - Union busting by the Corporatocracy and their puppets in government and media.”

Of course you dont mean the dem puppets that kiss union ass for votes and money do you ?

“Fourth - Mass undocumented “illegal” immigration.”

You mean the ones the dems want to have free reign of our country ?

“Fifth - Infiltration of organized crime in the labor movement.”

Like I said, most criminals are dems.
Infiltration ? Hell, Unions are organized crime