Anyone who wishes and attempted many times the obliteration of a people deserve no less for themselves.

You still lost based on your premise that genocidal maniacs should be treated like anything less than what they are.

Its not the hardcore Zionists that subscribed to such a thing until it was attempted against them, and actually happened to the once before.

Try to put yourself in the position of nearly having all your people wiped out once before and then having someone else come along and say they want to do the same thing to you all over again.

I would crap myself and then kill them in very quick fashion.

Micky, did you read the title of this post???

JMJ

Look, you missed a major fundametal element in your thought, and that is that its actually the Palestinians that want to commit genocide and are the hardcores that suggest such a course.
If you fail to notice something like that at the very front of all this, all bets are off that your clued in the least.

So, here we go again, because Jersey “says so” when I give actual examples of liberals repeating the past you simply assert that your opinions are true.
Liberal by definition does not mean anything other than you blame everyone else, accept no responability and make up the rules as you go along.
Liberal means you commit to nothing that commits you to obligation.
Liberal means to be free of ethical and moral authority.
To be free to be promiscuous with your bodies and other peoples money.
]It has nothing to do with any elevated plain of thought that would come as a result of from learning from past mistakes.

Please, spare me the elevated levels of conscience crap.

Lets cut this one short, you lost at your genocide comment and now all you’re going to do till the next post is try to recover some dignity.

Bye.

“But only very hardcore rightwing Zionists would suggest such a course. ”

Its actaully radical islam (Hamas, Palestinians, Iran, etc…) that not only suggest it, say that its their intention, and are trying to accomplish it as we speak.

Yes, I know. So, what are you and Eric saying? Are you saying that Israel should be more like Hamas? Do you see the hypocritical irrationality in your though process here?

And you say “liberals never learn from the past”??? Liberals, by definition, learn from, and depart from, that past. Conservatives, by definition, remain in that same past, never departing from it, never learning from it, constantly repeating the same script. I think back not so far to this year’s GOP primaries - it was like it was 1980 all over again! I thought they were going to disinter Ronald reagan and prop him up on the convention floor for a standing round of applause! And you guys not only live in the past, and repeat it, and don’t learn from it, but you you don’t even remember it! You invent a past that never was and then base you logic on it’s pretend assumptions!

Amazing.

JMJ

This shows the fundamental flaw in your thinking.

Its actaully radical islam (Hamas, Palestinians, Iran, etc…) that not only suggest it, say that its their intention, and are trying to accomplish it as we speak.

The rest of your post is one the same level of flawed concept/thinking.
yet only confirms the fact that liberals never learn from the past and are always trying to revive failed methods and policies such as socialism and appeasing enemies that dont want to hear it.
You guys simply dont understand real threats for what they are.
You are blinded by the idea that we can all just get along.
That is insane.
You think everyone can be a winner. You teach this crap in our schools.
Trophy sales are doing great.
Well, that might be O.K. at potatoe sack race at the company party but in real life there are winners and losers.

Its not a forest.
Its a desert full of murdering punks

I haven’t spoken with this particular liberal Jewish friend of mine about this, but knowing him, he’d say what I said. That it’s a disasterous situation and all we can do is hope things will work out. Committing genocide in Gaza is not an option. But only very hardcore rightwing Zionists would suggest such a course. Thankfully, there are few of them and most of them reside safely and irrelevently here in the United States (and Australia - surprise, surprise).

Again, I think it’s dangerously counter-productive to inject American partisan politics into the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Really, both parties and their constituencies have been equally very supportive of Israel over the years. Why anyone would want to create a polarization there is beyond me. The differences between the modern American “liberal” and “conservative” positions on Israel are virtually negligible. And Obama is a strong a friend of Israel as any American pol. Bush, if you recall, pretty much avoided the whole Israeli situation from the vast majority of his presidency, only taciitly (and uselessly) engaging at the very end.

If Israel did “go down,” it would be a major historical event, on par with an Indian/Pakistani nuclear conflagration. I don’t think anyone who has the power to make that happen wants that sort of MAD situation. And the Palestinians simply don’t have that power. No, the real powers at play here - Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc - want the status quo; and endless conflict between a “poor” and “abused” Palestinian population and a “greedy” and “inhumane” Israel. It’s great political fodder for the rabble Arab Street to support their disgusting regimes. It’s sorta like the way the GOP plays illegal immigration in America. They have no intention of legalizing them, no intention of stopping them, no intention of helping them, no intention of punishing them. They just want the status quo so they can lambast them for the rabble, and pay them cheap wages for the profit.

You cons have to learn to see the forest for the trees.

JMJ

That doesn’t explain what his solution would be to this, or that it omits him from the mindset liberals have over Israel that Eric describes.
That doesn’t change the fact that we all know Eric was talking about the general mass.

Being a rabid conservative I would still give any opposition as least one benefit of the doubt, but when your time has come, it has come

“This isn’t really a liberal or conservatove matter. This is bigger than that. ”

Yes, it is, but liberals cant see that.
That is why they will be a major contribution to what could be the beginnings of collateral effects everywhere.
If Obama ends up having anything to say it will be approached from a humanitarian point on behalf of Palestinians and not so much the point that the Jews must settle this once and for all.
Everywhere, including Condi Rice there’s talks about re-establishing the peace process.
F*$% the peace process already !
I’m sick and tired of hearing that phrase for 40 + years now.
Its a joke intended to pacify an appearance that there’s some solution other than to smack the living crap outta these punks once and for all.
Anything else will only embolden Iran, Hamas, Hezbolla, and the Palestinians

Liberals would just like to see things take their course with no intervention from America when jersey says that we should worry about us and not Israel.
Well, if Israel does go down I hate to think of the implications for the middle east and what would happen if we did let it alone and not police the situation.
And then there’s the question of simple right and wrong.
Right must be upheld and the Palestinians are wrong.
Once we let a movement who’s only purpose is to extinguish Jews get away with it we send a message to the world that its permissible.
And in this volatile age with terrorism what it is that is the absolute last thing in the world we should be doing.

Sometimes, I must say, I wonder where your loyalty lies. Already there are mass demostrations in Iraq over the Gaza retaliation. If Israel launched a full invasion of Gaza, American troops in Iraq would be put at horrific risk. Iraq itself could fall back to pieces. Don’t you realize this?

Now, of course, Israel can’t just sit back and enjoy being a missle target, and so their reaction is understandable. Apparently, Hamas saw and opportunity to wreak havoc while the Israel parliament is in disarray and Bush is an unpopular lame duck presiding over a significantly weakened America. But apparently, as I read somehwre, Hamas has “overplayed their hand,” and Israel, liberals and conservatives aalike, contrary to the opinion of our good host, will not tolerate it. I personally know a “liberal” Jew who, if you punched him in the face, would remove your entire head in one uppercut.

This isn’t really a liberal or conservatove matter. This is bigger than that. This is an international situation spanning from Egypt to India. Volatility is very high right now. There is a vacuum of world powers. America is no longer going to be the worlds one superpower. We have been crippled by our cannibalistic corporatocracy, especially over the past eight years. There may not be much we can do about this situation - ours, or theirs. Hopefully, Obama and the new Dem majority will make some big changes in approach both here and abroad and we can help to ease world tensions. On the other hand, we never really were the world’s police. We just thought we were. There might not be much we can do. And Dem or GOP, the corporatocracy remains in place, and they will continue our obvious and steady decline.

I’d be more worried about us than Israel if I were you.

JMJ

I’m a bit under the weather, so that’s why I’m late today. It’s been a while since I did an instrumental, so let’s start the week off with one…

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