Well duh !

They’ve offered up parts of the West bank before and even evicted their own people to accomodate the Palestinians and they still get attacked.

What part of “Their purpose is not of that to find a home, its to root out and kill Jews no matter where they go.” dont you understand ?

“They have to stop expanding into the West Bank, build a secure highway or rail from the West Bank to Gaza,”

They dont “HAVE” to do anything.

I’ve changed my position on the palestinians over the last 30 years each time loosing patience with them after seeing them be accomodated and then do the same crap all over again.
I used to debate with myself what could the solution be.
Well, not anymore.
They need to be beat into submission.

As for God, I’ve got nothing nice to say about that, so I’m just not going to say anything.

As for what responsibility the Israelis do have for the Palestinian problem, it comes down to one paradox, and that’s the disposition of the West Bank. The Israelis want it both ways - they want to expand into the West Bank, but they do not want to integrate the Palestinians there into a unified Israel including the West Bank. This is why they don’t want the UN in there. This is why they want the “occupied” status quo to remain there. This is the only share of responsibility for that whole mess I believe the Israelis have. They have to stop expanding into the West Bank, build a secure highway or rail from the West Bank to Gaza, and give the Palestinians a viable interconnected bifurgated state whether the Palestinians like it or not. As long as the settlements continue in the West Bank, there will be no solution and no one but the Israelis have the want or impetus for that solution.

That’s my two cents.

JMJ

Palestine “can” (but isnt) be an area that includes Israel and the Palestinian territories, parts of Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria. In its narrow meaning, it refers to the area within the boundaries of the old British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) west of the Jordan River.

They screwed themselves out of that also at no fault od the Jews.

“Who “designated” Israel to Jewish people? God? An imaginary magical being that ancient people worshipped because they only a primitive understanding of the universe around them? That guy? God?”

(prmitive would be thinking you’re an accident of science, its easier on the brain to not have to contemplate anything more complex)

NOoooooooo.

Its incredibly shallow and ignorant and just a cheap childish shot at Judaism when you to try and deflect to biblical interpretations when after WW2 there were many legal designations that gave the Jews refuge in Israel.

Heres a few just off the top of my head/ in my thumbnail

In November 1917 the British told the Jews they would set up a ‘Jewish National Home’ in Palestine, at the time was a part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. This then happened. The Balfour Declaration in 1917. In 1917 nobody expected the Holocaust causing Jews to have to flee there, and at the time there were already a number of Jewish settlements in the area.

The four major Allied Powers of World War, Britain, France, Italy and Japan - agreed to create a Jewish national home in what is now the Land of Israel.
United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city .
The Jews accepted it but the Arabs rejected it. Thats around the time Arab geurrilla attacks began against Jewish targets.
in 1967, UN Security Council then passed Resolution 242 authorizing Israel to remain in possession of all the land.
And on and on and on.

So no Whether you believe in God or not has nothing to do with it.

“The Arab states want to keep them displaced and miserable so as to use them to blame Israel for everything bad under the sun, ”

Yes, thats what I’ve been saying.
Seeing as how palestinians by genetics are Arabs why should the Jews have ant resposabilty for them ?????????
There are numerous Arab countries that could offer up a decent home for them so why these idiots are coming after Jews is obvious only because they have designated by that Arab communty as the major front against Israel.
Their purpose is not of that to find a home, its to root out and kill Jews no matter where they go.
Just about every Palestinain is raised to believe that is his or her purpose.

“Now that I think about it, there’s nothing “adult” about any of this.”

Well, it takes one to know one

No. “Palestine” is roughly the area the runs between the Med and around the Jordan River. That’s it. That’s “Palestine.” And that’s why only about half of the “Palestinians” are displaced. The other half already lived in that area of “Palsestine” which is not now Israel or simply remained in Israel. Afterall, lot’s of Palestinians live quite peaceably and happy within the borders of Israel.

“Seeing as how Israel was designated for the Jews…”

And here’s where the insanity kicks in. “Designated?” By who? Who “designated” Israel to Jewish people? God? An imaginary magical being that ancient people worshipped because they only a primitive understanding of the universe around them? That guy? God?

This is what the whole conflict is about - God. The Muslims, the Christians and the Jews all believe that somehow the area between the Med and the Jordan is a special Holy Land “designated” to them. And when you throw religion into the mix, nothing rational comes out of the pot.

In the real universe, no land is “designated” to anyone. Whoever happens to reside upon at any given moment is de facto the designee. The Palestinians have been caught in the conundrum of real life de facto designee and mythical religious displaced invader for the past 60 years. The Arab states don’t want them, the Israelis don’t want them. The Arab states want to keep them displaced and miserable so as to use them to blame Israel for everything bad under the sun, and Israel doesn’t want them because if they let them back in, Israel would no longer be a majority Jewish state. Given this untenable state of affairs, the Palestinians see no hope in any recourse but to act out violently. And that about sums it up for the Palestinians.

Now that I think about it, there’s nothing “adult” about any of this.

JMJ

Yea, and it used to consist of just about every other region surrounding Israel.
So, if you want to talk about their homeland at least be honest and admit that their homeland is/was comprised of much more acreage than just Jerusalem.
They could just as well call Jordan, Syria and number of other regions their homeland since they have been scattered just about everywhere for centuries.
Seeing as how Israel was designated for the Jews they should be asking Jordan or some of the neigboring states to assist them, but they dont.
You know why ?
Because they want reason to come after Israel, thats all, thats their only purpose. As many anti semitic Arab states have used them as proxy in their attempts to anniahlate Israel.

Drop the adult crap already.
I have some choice interpretations of anyones maturity who sees the Times as one of the best papers around and thinks Al Franken is anything but an irate infant.

Palestinians had had so many opportunities to not be displaced anymore its not even funny.
So please, enough boo hooing for these ingrates who are never happy no matter what the deal has been.

“bad thing that happens over there is completely their fault,”

Hey, just because we sanctioned their last election doesnt mean anyone but them should have to pay for their choices. Which was to put into power a terrorist state that is fed by another terrorist state.

If you can truly see the level of idiocy, intention and contempt coming from the palestinians then you will of successfully grown up.

FOX, mainstream media , bla bla bla.
I’ve been watching this conflict go round and round in paradoxial spin for 40 + years now before there ever was a FOX and we only had three channels to watch each with only a 1/2 hr. of news a day.
So we read newspapers.
Had you been subjected to this you would of grown (matured) to the point where it would be plain to see that the Palestinians only objective for the course they’ve been taking since the late 50s and 60s when the PLO was in the news and on the headlines every night was to end Israel.

I grew up with this crap, my father, grandmother and grandfather were Jewish, so please. dont try to come off as if you are somehow more connected to this in any more of a mature matter than I am.

Quite the contrary, you views and wishs are quite naive and childish to the point one would think from hearing them that you were born yesterday and are some beauty queen asking for world peace.

You guys should actually sit down and watch a real adult discourse on the subject like the one I linked above. You don’t get this kinda stuff from Fox and the rest of the mainstream media.

JMJ

What is childish is to label people as “not adults” just because they do not care to partake in the same brand of info that you do.
There’s more going on this world than what C span has to offer besides book reports,live coverage the Senate (zzzzzzzzzzzzzz) and of the House of Representatives and some historical programming which can all add up to no more than watching paint dry at times.
The only reason you say that is because you would love to call anyone who watch’s FOX childish.
Admit it.

The thinking that led to 911 was a complacent set of mind that lacked any force at all and some “Childish” notion that if we just leave em alone they’ll leave us alone.
Who knows ? Maybe Clinton knew that later in life he would be hitting Arabs up for money so he didn’t want go after Bin Laden for fear he might take down a future bank roll or burn some bridges in the process.
Had Clinton actually used force the many times he had Al Queda and Bin Laden in his sights I would bet the farm that 911 would of never happened.
As a matter of fact had Clinton shown force anytime in the last 4 years of his term he well could of stopped 911 since as it turns out was being planned in those years .

” Force does not always work.”

Noooo ? Really ?

Eric did not say it “always” works.

But you might want to hang on to that advice the next time you moonbats try to legislate us into forcing us to hire people we don’t want to hire or smoke on our own property or keep our own money or block traffic while waving stupid signs.

Oops! Here’s the link for any adults who would like to learn a little more about the subject.

JMJ

This is what adults discuss?

On C-Span (where adults go to be informed) today there was a wonderful discussion on the Israeli/Palestinian situation with Walter Russell Mead and Daniel Levy. One thing an adult would take away from that discourse was that it is anything but adult to approach the situation from the position that “Palestinians are an invented fictional people.” Whatever you want to call them, whatever identity politics your hung upon, “Palestinians” are people who used to live in “Palestine,” a once uninvented and real place. Also, an adult knows this notion that “force works” is the very thinking that led to 9/11 and the endless violence in the Middle East. As any adult knows, there is a time for everything under the sun, and that includes not using force. Force does not always work. In fact, sometimes it makes things a lot worse. Finally, an adult would also take from this discussion something that I’ve been warning Zionist extremists about for years - if you keep dehumanizing all Palestinians, and you kep politicizing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the American partisan arena, you will eventually turn the American public off of Israel, and when that happens, boy oh boy is Israel in trouble.

JMJ