Thats a riot coming from someone who thinks his opinion is fact.

Do you have kids ?
No ?
Then sit down and be quiet.

You make these implications up and over dramatize tham and also cant or wont answer my questions.

You lose when you fail to do that.

I did not ignore any implications.
As a matter of fact it was me who said we were off track and this was about notification and not consent.
You are the one who went off on a tissy fit about forcing girls to have abortions.

NOT ME !

Now whos ignorant of omplications ?

Try a better intelectual diet and it will cut down on your verbal flatulence

You guys are looking at very narrow issue prioities that you place in a one-dimensional heirarchy.

Parrothead, you are looking only at Child Medical Consent, and nothing beyond that. You are also looking only at the literal wording of the initiative, and not the overall legal and real implications. Those are conveniently superficial, and therefore inarguable, points. It’s like debating Christianity with only the Bible allowed as reference for argument. While I wholly and completely understand your argument, I am trying to engage you beyond those superficial and arbitrary stands and into issues regarding the real-life implications of the initiative. I am not a “black and white” thinker, Parrot, especially if that “black and white” is no more substantial than paper and ink. If you really want to substantively debate me, you’re going to have to get beyond that train of thought.

Micky, you’re just outright ignoring the implications of the initiative, so I really have no idea what’s left to say to you about it, just to say, “If anecdotes were farts…”

JMJ

Yea Jersey, so you say.
Even if it were true its palinly evident that would love to strip parents of their right to be parents.
Of course you know this.
That is why you wont answer any of my questions.
And your next question will be “what questions”

No one is talking about statuatory rape.
The whole teen suicide thing is just a farce, sure, it does happen.
But I cant remember the last time I saw a news report of a teen commiting suicide because she was pregnant.
But we should not be intimidated by death threats in order to maintain responsability.
Besides that, they can usually just drive out of state, its done quite frequently.
You’re little suicide scare doesnt float.

However there is a reason there in an age of responsibility in the law on all questions. Any decision made when a woman or girl gets pregnant will be life altering. Whether she decides to have an abortion, carry it to term and keep it or carry it to term and give it up for adoption. California Law does not recognize that a girl under 18 is mature enough to make much less significant decisions without her parents consent/knowledge. I do not know for sure what decision I would help my daughters make if they get into that situation when they are older, I certainly wouldn’t FORCE them into one decision or another. I do know however that I would not want them to be able to make that decision without my knowledge. I have talked to several pro-choice women and mothers who feel the same way. This is parents rights and responsibilities more than about abortion. It is only PRO-ABORTION ZEALOTS (as opposed to truly PRO-CHOICE people) who cannot see the difference

JMJ

You can it both ways, true, but it makes you look dumb.

You said, child abuse goes against womens rights.

Hardly, explain to me how what I make my daughter do affects her adult womans rights when shes not an adult yet ?
Thats like saying when shes an adult and the state forces her to keep the kid its child abuse.
One person cannot occupy the same space at two times.

There is absolutly no abuse when a parent makes a child learn to accept responsabilty for their actions.
If that kid kills someone would it be abuse to let them serve their sentence ?

Yea right, we want them to kill themselves. Thats stupid.
Pregnancy is not an automatic death sentence unless the kid has parents like you, and its the babys death.

I dont know what planet you’re on, but that kids body is the parents responsability and no one ever said a kid was property.
But we do have the right to say what happens to that body.

You dont have kids so you’ve obviously dont know what the hell you’re talking about. I’ve raised a boy and a girl, until you’ve had some experience in the matter I suggest you butt out unless you want to continue looking any dumber than you managed to look.
Ever take your kid to emergency and read the admission rules ?

NO ! You havnt, otherwise you would know that consent is on the parents as they are also liable if the injury is their fault.

We cant just let our kids run around putting themselves in danger.
If we do the law comes after us.
We control them, we dictate to them, we tell them what to do, we set examples

Got it ?

Face, you guys agenda is just a free for all unaccountable orgy.
Man, if you guys could get rid of AIDs and have an abortion clinic on each corner you would have utopia.

When you have a kid, if you want that responsabilty, then you can come talk to me as if you had a clue.

Until then you’re just parroting rabid left wing talking points without ever having any real involvemet or experience in the matter.

In other words.
You’re not to be taken seriously

You guys, by default, want little pregnant girls to drink poison and commit suicide. It is their life, it is their body. It is not the property of their parents. Parental rights end where child abuse begins.

JMJ

Are you going to argue that its not good to know that your 12, 13 year old girl is going to have a huge parasite removed from her body ?

“It is CHILD ABUSE. No person, parent or whoever, should have the right to FORCE A CHILD TO HAVE A CHILD.”

You see, this is where you’re wrong.
And you made your own case against yourself

You cant have it both ways.
If they’re children being abused, then the fact is, they are children.
GIRLS !
And you have to take care of THE GIRL !!

Not “women”

I get it.
But the fact is that at the time and place where parental roles and guidance is applicable she is a child.
And it is your job, not the state, to provide that guidance.

I also see to that my child is raised healthy so that she may take that health into her adult life.
I also see to it that my daughter does not carry anything into her adulthood that would cause her grief.

But for you guys there is no grief in killing life.
Its all about convenience.

Do you not think that later in life that woman will regret doing what she did when she was a girl ?

You may be morally and ethically vacant enough to go on in life realizing that one of your kids got killed mid way in its production and it not bother you.
Sorry, I have conscience.
Its happened to me and women that I know and now they regret it and their heads are screwed up forever.

So, if I raise my daughter with morals and ethics that she carrys into her adulthood will I be meddling with her adult self ?
If I let her go into the world thinking its OK to toss life in the dumpster will that not be a form of meddling.

YOU dont get it, like I said probably because the only thing you’ve raised are tomatoes.
And yet , I’ll bet you wouldnt pick them green

Yea, I know how you think.
As Obama said, you dont want to be punished with a child.
Kids get in the way when you want to make more dumpster babies.

I get , because its easy to understand a limited concept like yours, like checkers.
You of course are incapable of getting my side, its obvious the thought process of extended responsability is not there , but instead you live by knee jerk judgement that is only there to protect a promiscuous self indulgent greasy life style that cares for nothing more than the need to run around and have sex with no repercussions.
Thats why you guys are so fascinated with AIDs and STDs.

“Damn, if werent for those things we could screw around even more”

Oh, by the way.
You’re just a normal person who needed to quit.
Dont put down the people I’ve seen with a life threatening disease who beat it by trumping up your abstinense from booze and drugs.

Get it yet? Finally?

JMJ