JMJ:
“You tend to debate more from the ideological heart rather than the intellectual head.”

You tend avoid the intellectual truth as i have consistantly provide reliable sources/documents to back up my points.
I am the one supplying the intellect whereas the arguement against you has always been one that you derive your input from questioning peoples intelligence and expecting to “take your word for it”
Now that my man is an example of narcicsim and ideaoligy.

Nice try at turning that around.

If anything its sadism and not narcisism.
I love to make dumb people look dumber.

Kinda like hustling pool.

Go into the bar shooting like a dufis and lose a couple bucks here and there waiting for some schmuck to think he can take you for a hundred.
Then you crank up the grammar and the intelect and run the table.

I really can’t think of any substantial debate in which you proved me wrong about anything. You tend to debate more from the ideological heart rather than the intellectual head.

JMJ

People would rather debate on threads because it gives them time to research before they open their yap.
I think its a little late actually.
After the election I would see little point in changing someones mind, thats why I debate.
I just come round here to show everyone why you’re wrong, I’m right, and to defend Erics positions, only because I agree with him most of the time.
I debate to the finish, til you’re rebutals are all chopped up and you got nothin left. In our case I’ve gotten the last word almost everytime with you.
Now, you can say its just because you may feel at some point its useless.
BUT !
If your point was so good to start with you never really should of backed off in the first place.
SO!
In my opinion its just an example of how the fighting spirit is predominantly on the right and that liberals do tend to leave unfinished business to the wind, fate,or move on arrogantly stroking themselves that somehow they won , with their noses up in the air while mumbling to themselves “forgive them Obamassiah, they know not what they do”.

JMJ

See, you’re just all blab.

JMJ;’
“ya’ know, you just gave me an idea. I think I finally have my radio webcast show concept!”

Wolfman Yak ?

Now, in the mind of the obscene exagerator, this is somehow “totalitarianism” or “socialism.” But it’s not. It’s just also not fundamentalist orthodox free marketeering. All healthy (pun intended) civilizations must balance socialism and capitalism together. These systems are NOT mutually exclusive, contrary to the simplistic logic of the Right. In fact, without one you cannot have the other. You cannot have trade without contracts. You cannot have contracts without consequence. You cannot have consequence without socialism. You cannot have infrastructure withour socialism. You cannot have the taxbase to pay for infrastructure without capitalism. It goes on and on. Not only are socialism and capitalism not mutually exclusive – they are in fact mutally dependent!

When you pay your taxes, for schools or healthcare or roads or the military or whatever, you are not just paying for yourself, as you proposed with your narrow example above. You are paying your share to be a part of the broader society. And the more that society benefits you, the more of a share you should pay. This is progressivism.

You use the example of schools. Okay. I love that example. Imagine you are in a car accident. You’re laying on the ground next to your car pretty hurt. A paramedic arrives. The paramedic looks at you and says, “DDDDDDUUUUUUHHHHHH… You huwt ‘derr, buddy boy?” You say, weakly, “Yes. I think I broke my leg.” Your left leg is obviously broken up, twisted in an unnatural direction. The paramedic looks at you and says, “Which leg?” Then, after a pause, he says, “Hey! You bwoke ‘yer leg!”

You get what you pay for, Joshua. If you want to live in an educated society, you have to pay for that. You are not a nation unto yourself.

Get it?

Micky,

I might just do that one of these days. But I was thinking more of a web-radio debate. I’m living kinda lean these days betweeen my new health problem and career issues. I too have suffered a bad hit from this mortgage crisis – and no one’s bailin’ out ol’ Jersey McJones. besides, I have trips to the southwest and NJ coming up, so LA will just have to wait. I’ll be up there sometime though. I do have family there.

It’s funny that we’ve been debating healthcare coverage. All my life I had great health and I’m still pretty young. And then bango, I wind up with a heart problem when I happen not to be covered but I was covered almost all my life prior to this. Just goes to show. And I had the best coverage too, back when I was up north. That’s one of the reasons I always worked for foreign companies – they had the best benefits by far. Americans are stupid. They’ll take pay over time off and benefits, then they complain when they’re worn out and unhealthy at a young age. What a bunch.

ya’ know, you just gave me an idea. I think I finally have my radio webcast show concept!

JMJ

I agree. Not everyone needs medical insurance, though. That’s what Barack would like to make mandatory. In the world of the totalitarian, government tells you what you must do (I heard Dennis Prager give a really good summation on totalitarianism today) and that is what I keep hearing from Barack. You MUST pay more if he things you’re too rich. You MUST have medical coverage that may not be what you desire or need. You MUST accept abortion. You MUST spend your tax dollars on government schools even if you send your kids to a private one. I choose candidates who are less invasive, much less, than Barack Obama.

The first half of your post is pureley speculative upon bias and opinion as usual with nothing to back it up whereas I will kindly refer you to all the info on the housing bubble created by the left that is partially responsible for this mess. We discussed it and I showed you the actions of the left as documented that caused it and the actions McCain made to prevent it which you absurdly said was not good eneough as it was in all actually ver batum what happened. http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/10/my-interview-with-senator-trent-lott/#comments.

JMJ;
“If only the schools taught the kids what the Right was really about”

So, you want the school system to indoctrinate our kids into thinking conservatism and capitalism are bad ?
Dont worry, most of them are already half way there.

JMJ;
“and what history can show us about that.

History shows that for America capitalism has worked and sustained our society for centuries.
Whereas history has shown that endeavores such as Obama socialistic visions have failed.

JMJ;
“I can handle our good host just fine. I happen to be quite informed myself.”

Put your money where your mouth is and fly your butt to L.A, and set up a forum.
You presented the invite and brought on the challenge by saying anytime “anytime, any place”

But, I have a feeling like most of our debates this challenge you put forth is going to be looked back on as nothing but empty rhetoric

As for medicine – I think one of these days you cons ought to look up the definitions of “utility,” “society,” “civilization,” and “economy.” Maybe then you’ll see why your over-zealous orthodox free-market ideology has so consistantly and inexorably failed.

And back to the point of the post – the reason Democrats and the Left have been bashing Bush throughout this election is that McCain is proposing the same failed ideologies that pusued the past eight years. Sure, McCain talks about “change” and “cleaning up Washington,” and “corruption on Wall Street,” but what exactly is he proposing to do about these issues? The same failed answers Bush has given us the past eight years. And once again, a prolonged period of laizzez faire ingovernance has led to disaster. This has happened over and over again. But Americans, being the anti-intellectual bunch we are, just seem to forget every other generation or so and fall for the same rightwing con-job. If only the schools taught the kids what the Right was really about – and what history can show us about that.

JMJ

Oh jeez, I bit my tongue jumping up and down laughing.
You never have any facts and you always resort to the emotion, metaphor and opinion as fact. And its actually you who carries his own bucket of sand with him everywhere in case you need to bury your head when you wont accept fact.

JMJ;
“As for medical care everyone – EVERYONE – needs it, and someone has to pay for it. ”

That someone who needs it should pay for it.
I need food, a roof over my head, transportation and medical, and O pay for it.
Those who have fallen on hard times deserve a break but i’m not buying their medical for the next four years