If something does make the vets have problems, maybe we can get counseling from the NBA. But I don’t think it will ever get THAT bad.

“Are you implying that we are a worse society because our troops are more fully utilized?”

If by “fully utilized” you mean turning them into killing machines, then yes.

JMJ

Are you implying that we are a worse society because our troops are more fully utilized? Of course there is going to be psychological trauma for those who’ve had to kill others, assuming they have a full grasp of morality in the first place. That trauma doesn’t translate into dangerous behavior, though. My dad was in Vietnam. He came back, transferred to the Air Force and leads a happy, productive life. He seemed to become much more religious, but that’s not a bad thing. Our vets are not boogey men who will have a higher rate of criminal behavior than the society around them. What they’ve done has made them extraordinary individuals, but they’re still good Americans with unique issues to deal with just like everyone else. We haven’t become anything different from what we were before (a little lazier maybe). We’re just better at it than we used to be.

Jersey, your like a little boy who got caught in a lie. And now your playing your little semantic hopscotch again.
You blamed everything that America has done as responsible for Irans reactions and actions.
You conveniently forgot to include Irans role in the coup and made sure you placed Carters name in there in order to take any heat off of him.

Now, instead of being absolutly sure as you were earlier when you were shoving your version of history down our throats as true you are moving on to phrases and words like “highly unlikely” and “good chance” which leave room for doubt and and cloud your first definite assertions.

What I noticed is that nowhere in M.A. s interview with King did he mention any of the accusations you are coming up with. And he actually seems to blame Israel for most of its problems and not the US.
So, it seems like even Ahmajinedad would disagree with you.

So far you’ve done a wonderful job at calling people a bunch of names, insulting their intelligence, and making statements that are purely speculative.
What you have not done is convinced anyone that America is to blame for the actions of Iran in the last 50 or so years.
But rather you have convinced me that your party or whoever thinks like you are nothing more than a bunch of wimps who would rather conceid in the face of evil instead of put it in its place.

JMJ;
“Eagle, I’m no apologist for anyone. In fact, I’m pretty much the consummate critic of everything and everyone.”

Another load of crap that contradicts itself.
It is your critiszems that are placing blame on the wrong party and giving a pass to the wrong party.
You do this all buy asserting your freat knowledge of history and conveniently leave out huge portions in order to paint the picture you wish to present.

“the Mullahs stepped into the revolution and took over, and bango here we are today. ”

Yea, thats it folks.
“Bango”
Take it from a student of history, thats the whole story.

” And this point doesn’t excuse anyone for anything. It’s simply a statement of obvious fact. ”

Well then, why try to take Carters whimpyness off the table ?
And address Americas involvment in the coup ?

“and we shouldn’t assume that we always have everyone’s best interest at heart. ”

I wish liberals would apply that sentiment here at home to its own people.

And yet in saying that you contradict yourself again.
You say we are the evil colonialists and yet we have everyones best interest in mind.
Are we looters or charity gone wrong ?

You say on one hand that our good intentions are sometimes not the right thing to do.
On the other hand we are evil occupiers with ulterior motives.
I guess its a matter of convenience.

Bottom line is this.
Iran has had plenty of time to put its best foot forward, kove on and get over whatever ails it.
Instead it has taken the path you see today.
Yes, it takes two to tango but you seem to leave out Americas justifications for it actions and focus on the percieved unjust only for ther Iranians.
The people in Iran , mostly the younger generation are a clear example of those who would like to move on and get over crap that happened 40 to 50 years ago. They do not agree with MA.
Which simply means that most of the people who dont care for MA or his views would most likely not agree with yours either.
Right now I’m willing to bet that a good majority of Iranians are hoping that we can contain or get rid of the madness that is taking place between the Mullahs and MA.

Once you start bringing up instances that justify someones actions you are giving them a pass and being an apoligist. Which is exactly what you were doing in your first couple of posts.

You caqn go ahead and BS yourself, thats fine.
But I can read
Whether you like it or not Jersey

JMJ

“JMJ:
“Iran wasn’t attacked because we were scapegoats for some misperceived injustice, or because Carter was a wimp.

Right there buddy.”

That’s not giving anyone a “free pass!” If anything, thank God Carter was the president at the time! Imagine if it had been some reactionary rightwingnut? We’d still be there today! You can’t blame Carter for what happened in 1953. If THAT hadn’t happened, it is highly unlikely the Hostage Crisis would ever have occured in the first place. And this point doesn’t excuse anyone for anything. It’s simply a statement of obvious fact. The reactionaries would have once again intervened against the wishes of a foreign sovereign state and things would, as usual, only be worse today. Cooler heads prevailed and to this day Iran has been at relative peace with all it’s neighbors. Yes, Iran like pretty much every other Middle Eastern state has given support to the Palestinians insurgents, but other than that Iran has been at peace. It was in the end the best posible outcome of a daisy chain tat started in 1953 - heck back to the 1600’s! How would you like to be colonialized and looted?

Eagle, I’m no apologist for anyone. In fact, I’m pretty much the consummate critic of everything and everyone. All I’m trying to say here is as I said above: when we intervene over there we make things worse for them and us. We shouldn’t assume we know what’s better for everyone else, and we shouldn’t assume that we always have everyone’s best interest at heart. And add to that - we shoudn’t assume our own powers that be always have our own best interests at heart either.

JMJ