I’m not sure Afghanistan is “winnable”, and the Arab state has a ways to go… the Kurds are ready now… but that leads to an entirely different discussion! Great comments -

I wrote to a friend a few days ago and essentially said the same thing that has been addressed here: I’m a volunteer, and you can’t support me without supporting my mission and commander in chief. His response was as follows, “You and I also both know that a weak, ineffectual Congress was browbeaten into that resolution authorizing force, and before the NOV ‘02 elections, at that…. force that was deemed capable of overwheming a weakened Iraq, in one bold stroke — more because the timing was right in the view of the war’s proponents, and the political capital was there after 9-11, than for any other reason. The last two points are almost one in the same…It’s for precisely that reason that I for one can applaud you, but not the elected and appointed leadership that put our troops there to start, in the processing weakening the US and opening up a pandora’s box. ”

Let me say this: I do not agree with his basic premises, and I have argued those points in the past (violations of resolutions and sanctions to include torture, developing WMD, hosting terrorist camps, displacing hundreds of thousands of people, et al - things revisionists have ignored for 5 years), but because HE believes what he believes, I honor his opinion and his regard for Soldiers’ service. Likewise, Jersey, I don’t agree with most of your arguments, but given the consistency of your beliefs, I understand where you are coming from and respect your thoughts on the matter.

Interesting tidbit: I had lunch in Chemical Ali’s house outside Kirkuk yesterday… although I eat most afternoon meals with the Iraqis, I had my first “yogurt, water, and salt” drink…in the US we call it “spoiled milk”…but it doesn’t give one flatulence that the latter does… :>)

Thank a soldier today (and every day) for your right to spout anything you like about the soldiers and and their Commander-in-Chief. Everything you said (at GREAT length) comes down to the fact that you think George Bush is an idiot. It’s nice you didn’t get in any digs about how he stole the election.

Supporting the troops means supporting OUR country and OUR President. Write to the President and your congressman how you feel about the war, but spouting dissent on every available forum only encourages those who hate us.

I feel disgusted and used every time I hear Maliki quoted on how much he wants sharia law, and his latest on how he can hardly wait for our troops to get out of his country. I suspect that arabs are no more ready for democracy than a pack of hyenas. I wish we were less high-minded about spreading democracy. The adage about leading a horse to water seems to apply here. Afghanistan is looking like a similar mess in the making.

There is no good way to disengage from either of those hellholes. The people we want to liberate embrace their chains.

Our troops suppoort the governments decision when they get in line at the recriuters offics and say “sign me up”
I have heard about this war and I want to support our countries efforts and the men their fighting now because I believe like they believe that our government and George W Bush are doing the right thing.

You can bend it, twist it and come up withh all the ridiculous ways to phrase and apply it that you want.
Nothing can change the fact that you do not support our troops when they choose to fight for the exact same reasons as those who decided on this war in the first place.
And those who are fighting now are doing it for the exact same reasons that the government is doing it.

These men are smart enough to know what they are getting into and why.
And the statistics and facts show this.

You are wrong as the day is long.
And not just by my standards. But by the standard of fact.

It is a fact that you cannot say only one man is wrong out of two that believe in the exact same thing without being a humungous hypocrite.

JMJ;
“sleazy, underhanded, disinegnuous, lowly, punkish, juvenile, and just plain creepy.”

I have refrained my best from name calling only to describe your actions and deceptive grammar/linguistics/semantic as disengenuous but the above list is just a small portion some of the things I have to say to guys of your kind.

Anyone who reads this and has any sense of common logic will see you and the left exposed for the less than desirable people that they are when they say they support the troops.

And especially me.
I take very personally that anyone would think I would be so stupid as to swallow that line considering all the other sentiments you and the left have attached to it by virtue of all the past rhetoric that has come out of your mouths

Period.

JMJ

You did not say you disagree with the mission.
You have said horrible things about the war and why it is being fought.
Please, I have a memory.
Would you like me to dig up all the horrendous things that you have said about the war ?

The list is endless. You have (off the top of my head) said that it was a colonialist occupation,

“one of the stupidest reasons to go to war in history”

Here is where you are calling the soldiers stupid for fighting a war they believe is not stupid

“That the war was based on lies”
This is where you say that the troops are fighting a lie and are not aware of it because all they do is follow orders

“This la-la land “eagle” approach sounds all well and fine but has only rhetorical value.” (you said this about the surge)

You discredited all the work our soldiers have done by affording the credit to the Iraqi people.

“an evil colonial oil war, ill planned and executed, profiteered and corrupt and I believe intentionally so”

Why don’t you tell the soldiers that they are supporting an evil colonial oil war, ill planned and executed, profiteered and corrupt, and I believe intentionally so ?
Do you call that support ?
You are saying that our troops are fighting for these reasons.

“the war was stupid”
So the men who volunteered ( all 82% of them) are fighting and volunteered for a stupid war ? They believe in it so you are also calling them stupid.

“misbegotten mission and this sorry excuse for an administration is one and the same, and the beneficiaries of the argument are all but the administration.”

So, the troops volunteered to fight a “misbegotten mission” and they are fighting only to benefit the administration ?

JMJ;
“You can no more blame a soldier for a bad mission
February 2, 2008 at 5:25 am

But you have to admit, they volunteered and have said to everyone that they believe the mission is “GOOD”
They believe their mission is good and you are telling them its not.

“Micky, I can say that those 600,000 guards did NOT sign up for THIS mission.”

You can say it, but its not true.
They knew what they were signing up for if it was after 2003.
If you say they didn’t know what they are signing up for you are calling them stupid.

“And if this war were truly just ”

You are saying that our troops volunteered to fight an unjust war.

“the Bush administration will be remembered as the sleaziest and most cowardly of all wartime administrations.”

You are telling the troops that the man who’s mission they support and believe in is a coward and that they support cowardice.

Jersey McJones said,January 21, 2008 at 7:02 am
“I think the war is a complete failure and disaster overall.”

You are telling our troops that their efforts have been a “COMPLETE” failure and disaster.
Complete is a word that encompasses everything. The troops are part of that everything.

January 24, 2008 at 6:37 am
” a convenient post-9/11 excuse to rape the taxpayers and consumers for the profit of the administrations well-known-to-be close friends in the Military Sector and Big Oil.”

You are saying that our troops support an effort to steal from Americans and contribute to the profit of military elite and the oil cartels.

Jersey McJones said,
January 24, 2008 at 9:13 am ” Given the extent of contracting and the effect this has had on Big Oil, if firmly believe this war was initiated to raid the public coffers for the profit of MIC and Big Oil.”

” George Bush is a failure. his supporters just can’t find it in themselves to be man enough to admit it.’

You are saying that our troops are not men because they wont admit to your conception of Bush.
And that they are not able to find their manhood.

” I have not and I think I will never understand the popular rationale for this stupid war. ”

Jersey McJones said,
January 24, 2008 at 7:49 pm
” Sorry Micky, I don’t buy it. Iraq wasn’t worth it.”

You are saying that the lives sacrificed were for nothing

Jersey McJones said,
January 18, 2008 at 4:53 pm
“We” don’t fight anybody. Instead we take advantage of reserves and guards, destroy them and their families,

You demean the intelligence of our troops by saying that they were taken advantage of when the truth is they volunteered with the mission clearly in focus

” If you support the Bush administration, then not only do you not “support the troops,” you use them, abuse them, and throw them away.”

” This war was a mistake and anyone who thinks otherwise is imply unable to admit they were wrong.
THE 82% THAT SUPPORT THE WAR ARE WRONG, because jersey said so.

You cant win.
What you’re doing is wrong.
You are not all that educated.
You are doing this only for a paycheck.
You are fighting for the wrong reasons.
You are taking orders from a stupid evil man.
You are not fighting for what you believe you are fighting for.
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So don’t try to pass this garbage off on me that all you do is “disagree”.

You ardent fooling anyone Jersey.
You do not support the troops. Anything you say to try and justify your BS is just more of an insult to them.

The president and the troops are in this together and no amount of your ridiculous dribble will change the fact that it obvious you cannot possibly support them with all the things you have said about the war, the president and the troops.

You lose.

Big time.

Idiocy.

JMJ

JMJ