Comments on: Semper Max

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:31:38 +0000

I’m arguing the original topic.
And that is this BS you expect everyone to swallow when you guys say you support the troops.
And I just saw the tooth fairy having sex with santa claus.
Dont play games like I’m off base because i’ll read it all back to you in order of context.
You exactly what the agruement is here.
Your party is full of it. A bunch of pandering liars with the troops service as the butt of their disengenuous two faced slogans.

Answer the question and you might get it, not that you dont, but I’ll make you an offer at honest dialogue here.
Try again.
Bush and the troops are doing the right thing for the right reason.
Will you say that to Bush and the troops simultaneously as one group ?

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:51:45 +0000

Micky, I don’t know of a lot people - republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, silly party, etc - who disagree with the notion that the Bush administration handled the Iraq war very poorly, at least for the first 4 years or so. Even the GOP candidate for president says this. I was smart enough to predict that from the beginning - and I’m not all that smart. After all, I’m just a regular shlub from Jersey. Yet somehow it seemed pretty obvious to me. There were plenty of reasons - too much private contracting with public money, too much outsourcing of the rebuild without Iraqis, not enough consideration of long-standing ethnic and religious problems, not enough boots on the ground to get the job done, etc.

Most everyone knows all this now. What exactly are you arguing with?

JMJ

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:39:32 +0000

Ah, the ole “my reality is truth” BS” again

This is your reality;
“crooked, inept, stupid administration ”

It is not the same reality as held by the men and women who volunteered to carry out the same vision and mission as the man and administration you call crooked, inept and stupid.
Becasue when you do that, you call the troops, crooked, inept and stupid.

“The thought that this crooked, inept, stupid administration could or should be the one to do it ”

Thats just about as ridiculous as anything I’ve heard in my life.
What you are saying is that if Gore, Kerry or Obama launched the war it would of been alright ?

Your attempts here are laughable at best.
Please, refrain from saying anything more.
You’re just making yourself look worse by the obvious ommision of what true supporters would say to and about our troops.

Bush and the troops are doing the right thing for the right reason.
Will you say that to Bush and the troops simultaneously as one group ?
Because no matter what you say it or how you try to spin it,

T H A T I S T H E R E A L I T Y H E R E !!!!!!

If you cant, just be quiet.

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:03:47 +0000

Actually, Micky, I did try to volunteer many years ago, but they wouldn’t take me. It’s a shame.

The idea of invading Iraq and overturning the regime was not necessarily in and of itself stupid. The idea of inspiring a large functional democracy in the middle of the Middle East is not a bad one. The thought that this crooked, inept, stupid administration could or should be the one to do it would be utterly laughable if it weren’t so tragic.

I was right then. I still am. It’s not my fault there are some people who still don;t get this obvious reality.

JMJ

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:38:22 +0000

George Bushs mission and objective is the same as the troops who have volunteered to help him acheive that goal.
The left and yourself has repeatedly said that Bushs objective and mission is stupid, wrong, immoral and evil.
What you say to and about Bush is exactly what you say to the troops.
And please, dont insult my intelligence any further with any more dancing around and half a$$ explanations.

Of course no decent man wants these men and women to get hurt, but that is a far cry from actually wishing them success, which you cant. Because according to the left, success was the wrong thing to want in the beggining.

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:06:09 +0000

“Micky, it’s very hard to have a discussion with a grown man who doesn’t understand metaphors, similes and analogies.”
Where? What metaphor or analogy ?
The trade industry ?
Parts inspector ?

Like I said , you can dress it up but its still…
Example;
You say you his diuty is to his country and the military.
What duty has that country and military asked of him ?
To execute a mission.
A mission that you think is worthless and stupid. As you have said a hundred times.

“The arguments for the war have never met my satisfaction - not in 2002, 2003, and not now.”

Like I said;
“The value of the prudence you speak of is not determined by you.
It is determined by the Iraqis and the troops who risk their lives, period end of story no two ways about it.”

You did not decide to lay your life on the line and volunteer for something you believe in, so what you think hardly counts any more than a hill of beans.
Whats important is that you give the mission the same amount of creedance and respect that the people willing to die for it are doing so. Otherwise anything and everything you say is garbage.

Would you want someone on your team that did not respect the objectives of the goal, and the reason for wanting that goal ?
Would you believe they were sincere if they said they supported that mission ?

““I support you, but you cant win, and if you do its for the wrong reasons””

“You said that. Not me. I don’t even partially agree with that statement.”

But the party you support does.
Ask the majority leader Harry Reid.
“That’s just insulting and stupid. I can say I was right because of obviously was. I can only hope that we can get this horrible mistake over with as soon as possible. Success? It seems to me that the military succeeded just fine. It’s you guys who still want more. And it’s Big Oil and the MIC that will make sure this bloody, miserable, colonial oil war continues.”

What were you right about ? Your opinion ?

As far as the oil beef goes. Now you sound like an Obamanite who just got out of school.
That oil arguement is so old, tired, disproven and weak that I dont even hear the most juvenile Kos crazy use it anymore.

Sorry.
If you expect any logical person to buy the load you and the majority of libs have been trying to feed us about troop support you insult your own intelligence by thinking we will ever believe it.

Your first comment was that you hope in the future the missions will be more prudent.
Prudence is the ability to govern and discipline oneself by the use of reason.
And the troops decided the reason was good enough to risk their lives.

They are doing the right thing for the right reason.
Will you say that to the troops ?

If not, just be quiet.

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:12:59 +0000

“Not at all, you are ibviously the one who has confused human life with product manufacturing as a mission.”

Micky, it’s very hard to have a discussion with a grown man who doesn’t understand metaphors, similes and analogies.

“The point is that you dont believe in the duty.”

No. Don’t be silly. You missed my entire point. The man’s duty is to his country and the military. He seems to have taken that quite seriously. I applaud that. It’s not his fault that his country sent him off on a misbegotten adventure.

“Try giving the mans intellience to decide a little credit.”

No. Either I agree or I don’t. I don’t really care if he’s a genius or retarded or anything in between. The arguments for the war have never met my satisfaction - not in 2002, 2003, and not now.

““I support you, but you cant win, and if you do its for the wrong reasons””

You said that. Not me. I don’t even partially agree with that statement.

“You guys dont want them to succeed just so you can say you were right.”

That’s just insulting and stupid. I can say I was right because of obviously was. I can only hope that we can get this horrible mistake over with as soon as possible. Success? It seems to me that the military succeeded just fine. It’s you guys who still want more. And it’s Big Oil and the MIC that will make sure this bloody, miserable, colonial oil war continues.

JMJ

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:56:17 +0000

“To confuse people doing their jobs with the morons who run those industries is inane at best.”

Not at all, you are ibviously the one who has confused human life with product manufacturing as a mission.

” He was a man who did his duty and that’s good enough for me.’

The point is that you dont believe in the duty.

“But since I can’t see inside another man’s head, it is impossible for me to know whether someones feelings are the result of perfectly understandable dissonance or true sympathy for a cause.”

Try giving the mans intellience to decide a little credit.

This is what the left is saying in their usual roudabout way;

“I support you, but you cant win, and if you do its for the wrong reasons”

You guys dont want them to succeed just so you can say you were right.
I wasnt born yesterday and I’ve heard every line of crap that there is in this world.
So what were you worked.
I work with Alcoholics and addicts and know all too well what justification, rationalizing and trying to BS your way out of something sounds like.
And you aint got nothin on the characters I deal with.

You can dress it up all you want, its still a peice of s…

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:43:29 +0000

Micky, I can think of lot’s of “missions” from Vietnam to Guatamala and beyond that I find mistaken and even abhorant. That in no should suggest that I believe the men and women of are armed forces are mistaken or abhorant. I worked in international trade for years and loved my jobs even though I feel that the trade structure in America today is mistaken and abhorant. I worked as an auto parts inspector in the early 90’s and loved my job, even though I feel that the American auto industry has behaved in ways I find mistaken and abhorant. To confuse people doing their jobs with the morons who run those industries is inane at best. If we all agreed with the powers that be we’d be no better than lemmings.

I can most certainly understand how people feel about these “missions” - some feel as I do, some don’t. I know this much: it must be almost humanly impossible to suffer great loss for a cause one doesn’t believe in. But since I can’t see inside another man’s head, it is impossible for me to know whether someones feelings are the result of perfectly understandable dissonance or true sympathy for a cause. Nevertheless, just because someone suffers that does not make them correct, nor does it convince me that their love of their leadership is or isn’t misbegotten. I can admire the heroism of this great man without agreeing with him about this mission or the man who sent him upon it. He was a man who did his duty and that’s good enough for me.

JMJ

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:04:59 +0000

Nice try.
But I hardly see how I am dengrating anything when I just left the man a thank you note and asked you which missions you were refering to.
Your little attempt at trying to switch this over to me shows pathetic defensivness on your part since there is not a microscopic hint anywhere that I did any such thing.
Its called making accusational sh*t up out of thin air just to try and appear as if you are the respectful patriotic one and my sentiments are somehow flawed
You used the word “Missions”. This clearly states that you are refering to more than one. So dont try to narrow it down to just Iraq.
For all practical purposes outside of this little semantic dodging line of crap that all you libs use you are saying that the mission was not worth his sacrifice.
Tim feels it was worth it. And your feeling the same way is the ultimate in support.
I’ve been through this a million times with these morons who say thay support the troops but not anything that has to do with what they are doing.
Great. So all you’re saying is that you hope they dont get killed or hurt just to cover your hateful a$$es from getting reamed in the public arena of opinion.
The value of the prudence you speak of is not determined by you.
It is determined by the Iraqis and the troops who risk their lives, period end of story no two ways about it.
What the left really wants to say, but wont for fear of being nailed to the floor is that you dont approve of the job they are doing because you believe its a flawed effort cast by an evil stupid man and a waste of sacrifice.
How can you say you give credit to the warriors when you cant give credit to the leader they believe in and are willing to follow.
When you a-holes say all these nasty things about Bush and the value of what we are trying to do I seriously doubt that the troops are lovin it.