Comments on: How I would have handled the Obama church scandal

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:04:06 +0000

“And this phony, phony, phony fuss over the Reverend Wright is nothing but an cheap excuse to bash Obama over nothing. Bombastic black preachers are as ubiquitous as drunk priests. Nothing new here. ”

“but in America religious people are bigotted against non-religious people.”
BS.
A good christian will always be willing to help anyone who wants to enter into Gods kingdom.
We are not bigoted towards them. We simply would discriminate if any atheist was to be in a position where spiritual matters had to be decided.
We pray for the atheist while he mocks and ridicules us

Earth to jersey.
Its not phony just because you say or think it is.
Its of real concern when you have a man running for office who has been for 20 years looking up to someone who says those things.
And just because its supposedly some common charcter trait amongst black preachers doesnt make it right.
Really, any mature individual know that bad behavioe does not warrant more bad behavior.
Also, his rersponse to what his pastor said was another example of why he is not fit to run our country.

And if Obama was just going to church for appearances sake I guess all this spirituality he says he has cant be taken for anything more all his other empty statements hes put out.

“how dare a black preacher say anything bad about white people and America! Idiotic.

I guess whether its true or not never really matters to liberals.
Freedom of speech , right ?

Man, it works both ways you know.
If a white preacher went off on black america saying they brought the aids virus into America the sh*t would hit the fan so hard the whole country would stink.
But we have to give Wright a pass ????

And to say that christians are biggoted towards non christians is a statement that generakizes a huge part of America and is simply untrue.

The only person you would hear that kind of talk from is some contemptuous lefty atheist/agnostic who thinks hes better than anyone

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:45:54 +0000

But if they all do it, then who cares? I wish it were possible to have atheists and agnostics in high office, but in America religious people are bigotted against non-religious people. And this phony, phony, phony fuss over the Reverend Wright is nothing but an cheap excuse to bash Obama over nothing. Bombastic black preachers are as ubiquitous as drunk priests. Nothing new here. But oh you bet white people get all offended when they hear these sermons! Nevermind why these sermons came about in the first place - how dare a black preacher say anything bad about white people and America! Idiotic.

JMJ

By: Eagle 6

Eagle 6 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:08:57 +0000

Jersey, You made my point. Many politicians go to church not for personal choice, salvation, or faithfulness to a higher power, but instead to be seen - ergo he went to the most prominent black church in Chicago!! And yes, 90% of all public figures adjust their positions as they “mature” through the campaigns, so I’ll give that part to you. Again, the gist of my message was to agree with Eric’s premise that Sen Obama spent his time in the pew not paying attention to the message but instead to who was watching and how he could impact potential voters.

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:53:52 +0000

C’mon Eagle, get real. What you just said about Obama you could say about probably 90% of all politicians and public figures. He attended the most prominent black church in Chicago. Big deal. What kind of moron would really care about that?

JMJ

By: Eagle 6

Eagle 6 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:07:23 +0000

Eric, The sad (and wry grin) truth is, you are likely Wright about Sen Obama’s attention span in church - he wasn’t at church to worship or to be touched from within, but instead, he was there to be seen from without. His narcissistic nature didn’t allow him situational awareness - because everything has always been all about him (i.e. as you mention, he wasn’t paying attention). Having said that, he has tempered his transmit button somewhat lately so his lackeys can process the received messages and adjust his transmissions according to what better fits the voting populace…

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:56:37 +0000

I was not anywhere near talking on the subject of “answers”

I was smashing your position that all churches are biggoted.
And making a point that a ethical humanist is an atheist with a conscience just like a domestic engineer is a housewife.
I swear, you guys come up with the dumbest names for yourselves.

Thats what libs do. They have to categorize every little aspect of human behavior and try to set everything apart as some sort of unique minority.
Liberals who want society to do nothing but accept all perverts and freaks everywhere. The main objective is not to offend anyone with any incorrect word.

Jamal was offended by me calling him a perverted gay fairy black boy all strung out on crack.
The PC thing to say would be that Jamal is leading an acceptable alternative lifestyle as an african-american homosexual who has the disease of drug addiction.

Atheist is too harsh and besides that it sounds nice and snooty elitest and set apart from the norm to say “ethical humanist”.
Oh man, ya cant help but laugh.

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:20:37 +0000

Micky, I never said that ethical humanists had all the answers any more than I said you religious people have all the answers. There’s nothing “elitist” about it.

JMJ

By: Micky 2

Micky 2 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:49:39 +0000

You can say bigoted in the context that one church or religion feels its superior to the other.
The problem that you missed is that Trinity peddles bigotry against certain people and our government.
And no, not all churches are biggoted against each other just they believe they teach the true gospel.
Bigotry is intolerance. And we are tolerant of other religions opinions, lifestyles, or identities.
As a matter of fact any christian knows that we are more tolerant of each other than we are biggoted.
You dont have to automatically cast everyone who believes diferently than you as “wrong” period.
You can believe that they are not complete yet in their journey and that the process will lead them to your way eventually.
They are not wrong, they are just spiritually incomplete.
You could say that incomplete is wrong, but tolerance will lead you to believe that the process you believe they are experiencing is right.

Ethical humanist.
Hah, more of that PC elitest language that sets them apart into some avante garde1 category of uniqueness.
You’re an atheist with a conscience, alright !

By: Watch

Watch — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:28:54 +0000

BO Van Winkle, would you believe?

That might also explain why his book also is in conflict with everything that he now says on the campaign trail.

He slept through his whole life!

He sure as hell didn’t learn anything!

By: Jersey McJones

Jersey McJones — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:24:31 +0000

All churches are bigotted. They have a very particular way of looking at things that separates them from every other church. That’s the whole zeitgeist. All churches claim to teach one and only one spiritual version of the Unified Theory. Therefore all the other churches, all the other ways of looking at things, must be wrong.

If you’re truly a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim then you must truly believe that whatever it is you believe must be right and everyone else must be wrong. You are bigotted against them. If, on the other hand, you really don’t care what kooky things people believe, you become vulnerable to their communities of thought - you’re not one of “them.” These days, “them” play themselves off as an embattled minority, when in reality they are secure majority.

I say all the Christians and Jews and Muslims should just agree today to give it all up and become ethical humanists like me. If it all goes wrong after that, then blame me. Just give it two hundred years or so to decide.

JMJ