Not in DC.
http://dcist.com/2008/01/02/violent_crime_u.php

Which is my point.
Stinking gun laws dont work.
DC attributes the drop in gun deaths during the late 90s to cleaning up the crack action.

“And the Brady Bill has averted the sales of 1.5 MILLION guns to dangerous loonies ”
It still doesnt stop anyone who wants a gun.

Most people with violent intentions are not going to give out all that personal info.
God, please, you’re innocence is killing me.

Crime itself is down. And you can thank the Bush administration for that.
That is why the crimes that invole guns is down, simply because crime is down.
Guns do not commit crimes.
Gun trafficking is down and the need for them is down. No thanks to the Brady bill.
Gun regulations do nothing. Its the actual interuption and confiscation by law enforcement that lowers the numbers.
What would you call an aversion ? Knowing you have to fill out paperwork ?

Hows that go, LOL ! ?

You’re defeating your own argument! The shooting deaths have been stable for years! The numbers are still very high, though. But there’s no “spiraling”. And the Brady Bill has averted the sales of 1.5 MILLION guns to dangerous loonies (and yes, even not-so-dengerous loonies like you and I). You can’t deny that gun regs over the past twenty some-odd years have helped to reduce crime in America. You just can’t. You’d be nuts. Crime is way down since the early nineties. Way, way, WAY down.

JMJ

All this aside, it’s very hard to argue that the gun laws we do have don’t work. There are piles of examples of success. On the other hand, there are still some 12,000 murders commited with guns every year in America, an astounding number. Certainly we should do something because the status quo is obviously not working. We need more laws, more coherent laws, and more enforcement which means more spending on enforcement. Heck, if we just legalized pot and devoted the erstwhile law enforcement to stoping illegal gun trafficking, we could probably cut that awful number in half with a year or two. It wouldn’t take much - just an automobile-style licensing and registration system would do.

JMJ

I was on the sidewalk in SD on a Sunday morning in front of my office getting ready to go to a movie. I had enough cash for the movie and a nickle bag of weed which I purchased from a friend right there. I started towards the theatre and was arrested for sales to a minor.
I only had a joint and enough for the movies.
Does anyone really thnk I was selling anything ?
Yes ! Because I had been dealing massive amounts of coke out of Mexico for 3 years and the vice squad could never catch me. This was there little “gotcha”
Now, granted, I did deserve the punishment, but the facts in court did not dictate that. Only that I was being charged with felony sales to a minor.
I was released on my own reckognisance realizing that I was facing 2 years in jail, thats what my attorney said would be fair.
I bailed. I flew back to Hawaii and stayed here for 5 years. I met an LA woman, fell in love and moved back to Cal. 10 months later right before the statute of limitations ran out I had a run in with an officer and was quickly returned to SD.
They could no longer produce any witnesses so they had to drop the case. But they couls still convict me on a felony failure to appear since 5 1/2 years ago I failed to appear on a felony.
I did 3 months in jail and 3 years probabtion. Lost my right to vote and own a gun.
On paper, how did it look as if I was a danger to anyone ?
Of course I had done a lot of horrible things. But the fact is that my conviction was for victimless crimes.

So please , dont try to tell me that if the Brady bill was responsable for this that its a good law.
If I so much as touch a bullit I could spend 10 years in jail.
And once again, lets be rational and realistic here Jersey.
If you,ve been around so much you know damn well that no law ever stopped anyone from getting a gun if they wanted one.

Micky, again, I’m going to assume that you’re not lying, as that would speak very poorly of you, but 1.5 million gun sales have been denied to felons and the mentally ill since the passage of the Brady Bill. If you call that not working, then either you’re lying or again I’ll assume you’re just ignorant of the facts.

JMJ

Those “dead kids” are the ones creating the problems. Most of them are victims of an environment they create.
Yet you guys would like to blame it on lax gun laws.
No law ever stopped me or anyone from getting something they want.
Has regulating or outlawing dope stopped the drug war ? or rid us of addiction ? Or lowerd our prison population ?
Hardly, its only made it worse.
Just as gun laws do absolutly nothing but make it harder for inoccent law abiding citizens to obtain a fire arm.
You yourself said that guns dont kill people, people kill people.
So if thats the case then why would more regulation change anything ?

That is the flip flop contradiction on the left that I am talking about.

The gun issue is not as simple as you guys make it out to be. It’s not just for or against, black and white, right and wrong, rights and restrictions. There’s a huge gray area here. I wish you gun nuts would grow up and realize this.

JMJ

Obviously anyone who has been at the wrong end of a gun as many times as myself does not feel the way anti gun activist feel.
For expediency purposes alone they applaud the decision but would still love to have guns regulated to the point that having one would be useless.
The contempt I speak of is reflected in statements such as:

” more reasonable societal rules”.

This was never explained in detail. But the agenda is clear.

” I don’t want to live in a country teaming with loaded man-child’s.”

The only loaded manchilds are the criminals by an overwhelming margin.

“ In a lawless society rules don’t mean anything.”

The lawlessness is active mostly within the criminal element seeing as how legal gun owners are subjected to reasonability at the hands of regulation and background checks etc…
This just implies that we need more rules or what we have is insufficient.

“ but freedom and liberty are worth nothing in a lawless, violent, armed-to-the-teeth society. ”

No one has lost any liberties or freedoms except for those being killed or robbed by criminals. This statement implies that anything more than what we see would result in an armed to the teeth lawless society
BS

” I’d like to see transferable titles.”
This does nothing to combat illegal ownership.
It would just create more red tape beurocratic hoop jumping and discourage ownership.

” Lott is a liar. Anyone who thinks more guns = less crime is either a liar, or is ignorant of the facts.

Certainly not the answer you would expect from someone who says they applaud the decision. The decision allows more guns in DC. Does it not ?

In response to my statement that for decades now lib’s have been trying to take our guns from us I get the answer “Bull spinkies.”

We all know (reasonable men) that for decades now there has been a huge undertaking by the left to take away or severely hamper ownership. Its no big secret.

“As for the states with lax gun laws, you can thank them for piles of dead kids. They do not have lower crime rates, and anyone who says so is either lying or ignorant of the facts.”

Is this why the court ruled on DC the way it did ?
Will more children die now as a result of private legal ownership ?

” name me a gun regulation or law that you would repeal. Please. I’d love to hear it.”

He would “love to hear it”
This sarcasm indicates that any repeal of any law no matter what would be asking too much.
How about the one that does not allow me, a non violent offender to never own a gun ?
The response I got was “Sounds fair to me.”

So you see Timbudd,since my very first post it was all a little fishing expedition to expose the fact that no matter what some of the lefties say, the move to limit ownership or stand in the way of it will never end.
In my first post I mentioned what I thought was true.
I think I’ve pulled enough quotes to make it obvious.