We haven’t been succesfully attacked on our home soil since 9/11.

So you can get your rocks off all you want trying to blame this on Bush, it just makes you look like a hatefull little man who will not accepot the truth that is common knowledge.

And once again, I provide substantial verifiable sources to back up by claims.
And once again , all yer doin is yappin away expecting me to take your word for it.
If all we had to rely in debate on was peoples opinions there would be little point in even continuing.
We could just start out by looking at each other and asking:
“You got an opinion?”
And you would answer:
“Yea”
And then you would ask me;
“do you have an opnion?”
And the I would say:
Yea”

So O.K?
Where did that get us ?
No young man, you can sit around and fool yourself all day long if you want but I gave up all forms of masturbation a long time ago and decided to stop stroking my own ego and actually look for truth.

So unless you can actually make a case based on credible observations and documented credible events you are just jerking yourself off and all of us.

Al Queda had been planning 911 for at least 5 years previous to Bushs inaugeration.
That ball was in Clintons lap for those 5 years.
Clinton never even picked up the ball, never mind dropping it.
Historical fact Holmes.

JMJ

Can you prove most of that is bull ?
I will take the word of soldier with his boots on the ground any day over yours.

I like the way you refer to Iraq as a decaying corpse just as Amadingdong called Israel the same thing.

No lie at all.
Its fact that Clinton had multiple opportunity to take out Bin Laden in 8 years ! He had 8 freaking years and did nothing !

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011919.php

“Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general’s report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a license to “kill” bin Laden—one reason it never mounted more effective operations against him. “The restrictions in the authorities given the CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously, relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the range of permissible operations,” the report stated. (Scheuer agreed with the inspector general’s findings on this issue, but said if anything the report was overly diplomatic. “There was never any ambiguity,” he said. “None of those authorities ever allowed us to kill anyone”

Bin Laden was implicated in the first World Trade Center bombing. That happened only a month after Clinton took office. Bin Laden contributed to the Somali incident that scarred the president’s first use of military force. Bin Ladens boys then kill more Americans in two more bombings, one in Saudi Arabia and at two U.S. embassies in East Africa, and then he nearly sink a Navy warship in the final months of Clinton’s term.
And Clinton did absolutly N O T H I N G !!
NOTHING!
So dont tell me I’m lying bro when the facts are the table showing a hell of a lot more neglegence on the part of your dear little bubba than any other President ever !

Back up yer sh** or consider all your points mute and useless.
Cuz like I’ve said a million times.
You can say anything you want , but unless you got something to back it up with, its all a big freaking joke.

And it was Bush and the GOP that got 3000 Americans killed. Not the dems. Please don’t lie about that. It didn’t happen on their watch.

JMJ

Oh dear, arent we the dramatic one today ?
Since you obviously have let anything and everything I’ve taught you go in one ear and out the other I’ll give you a little refresher course.
And mind you, this is only up until 2006, not counting the recent success of the surge.
Thursday, December 21, 2006
List of Iraq successes
BDE3TACP on AOL posted this:

“Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1…

That by the way is the “Mission accomplished”.
Not the foolish moonbat liberal assertion that Bush was saying the war was over

… The first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.
… Over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.
… Nearly all of Iraq’s 400 courts are functioning.
… The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.
.. On Monday, October 6, power generation hit 4,518 megawatts, exceeding the prewar average.
… All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.
… By October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled.
… Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.
… All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.
… Doctor’s salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.
… Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.
… The Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq’s children.
… A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq’s 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.
… We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.
… There are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by year-end.
… The wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.
… 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.
… Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.
… The central bank is fully independent.
… Iraq has one of the world’s most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.
… Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.
… Satellite TV dishes are legal.
… Foreign journalists aren’t on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for minders and other government spies.
… There is no Ministry of Information.
… There are more than 170 newspapers.
… You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.
… Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.
… A nation that had not one single element — legislative, judicial or executive — of a representative government now does.
… In Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad’s first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.
… Today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.
… 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq’s history, run the day-to-day business of government.
… The Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.
… Shiva religious festivals that were all but banned, aren’t anymore.
… For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.
… The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.
… Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq’s soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.
… Children aren’t imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.
… Political opponents aren’t imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.
… Millions of long-suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.
… Saudis will hold municipal elections.
… Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.
… Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.
… The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian
– A Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.
.. Saddam is gone.
… Iraq is free.
….Terrorists are being drawn to an arena in which our military can kill or capture them
Sovereignty is restored to Iraq”

JMJ:
“No honest person can blame the Democrats for anything more than going along with the Republicans in recent years. So please don’t shovel that maneur my way.”

I’m probably one of the most honest people you will ever meet.
You on the other hand seem to lack this quality seeing as how you choose to try and corner the events mentioned to “recently” when you know damn well I was talking about all the failed middle eastern policies of the Dems in the past administartions.
I said;
“Stupid repetative failure is exactly what the dems practiced for decades and it got 3 thousand of us killed in one day.”

As you can see I was not talking recently at all, I said “decades”!
Now, you are being incredibly disengenuous or being one of those stupid, stupid slobs you said we Americans have become.

Really? Where exactly, or within a million miles, is “there”?

“Stupid repetative failure is exactly what the dems practiced for decades and it got 3 thousand of us killed in one day.”

No honest person can blame the Democrats for anything more than going along with the Republicans in recent years. So please don’t shovel that maneur my way.

JMJ

You know what Jersey, I’m glad you said “we” in that statement. Because you sure qualify as one of slobs you speak of.
I just knooooow you aint talking about me ! Right ?

Iraq may not be the kind of democracy that we here in America are visioning but they are already well on their way there.
I have lists and list of all the accomplishments and freedoms Iraqis have obtained in the last 4 years.
They have tasted it, they know what is theirs, they are not complete idiots to the point that they cant taste a different flavor and determine if they like it or not.

The biggest mistake any man can ever make is to underestimate the people around him and judge them as quickly as you do everyone who does not see things your way.

What ever has been going on in the middle east for decades now has sure as hell has NOT BEEN OUR FRIEND !
GET IT ?
But no , you only have ideas and semi plausable critisizms after the fact.

Stupid repetative failure is exactly what the dems practiced for decades and it got 3 thousand of us killed in one day.

Guys, Eric included, when the #@!! are you going to get it through your neocon heads that “democracy,” as you understand it, is NOT your friend in the Middle East? Either you know that and yet ignore it, or you can’t even think with your own rhetoric! Either the people of the ME want peace and liberty or they don’t. It seems pretty clear to me what they want. What the #@!! do you guys think they want??? They don’t even know! What is this, the Las Vegas of the World? Gee, that’s a fun game. When are you going to get past this reality and create a new narrative? Why do conservatives cling to the same ol’ tired naratives even in the face of failure???

This is why I’m not a conservative anymore. This is why. Stupid, repetitive failure. It just gets annoying after a while. Why can’t we have the great statesmen of yesteryear? Oh yeah, we get caught up in their personal “issues” and peccadillos. What a bunch of stupid, stupid slobs we Americans have become.

JMJ

That lite would be a free and democratic Iraq as an allie in our war on terror and us plopping our butts down in the middle east to keep any eye the most dysfunctional and dangerous part of the world.
Unfortunally like most libs you just want what you want and tyou want it now. As McCain said , “we will have precense their for 100 years” And it will be years bfore iraq can stand on its own.
The embassy we are building is the largest US embassey ever and will certainly not be beseiged. And who are these “most people” ? Got anything to back that up?

JMJ:
” This is about slipping out quietly and hoping all goes as well as possible.”

Oh, oh, oh. Now I know you cant be seriously ontop of your game. Thats one of the most naive things I’ve ever heard.
Hoping all goes well ?
Man, you been listening to too much Obama and all that hope crap.
Any fool with half a brain knows what will happen if we “slip out”—————————————————————————————————————————————————
JMJ:
“It’s not worth the oil, they’re no longer a threat to Israel, they can barely stand an army, Iran doesn’t want anymore than they’ve already gained, the Sauds et al are happy, Russia and China don’t seem to care - all good there. The only potential outside problems come from Turkey and Syria, and maybe Jordan facing down the Shi-a and Iran. You’d think you guys would get a kick out of that! (Actually, I would too. Let them fight each other for a change! LOL!)”

Once again, very naive and uninformed.
Where do you think Hamas and Hizzbolla get funding ?
Where do you think there weapons come from ?
No threat to Israel ?
Hmmm… Last I remeber the leader of that country said Israel is a stinking corpse that has no right to exist and should be wiped off the map.—————————————————————————————————————————————————————
JMJ:
“Kennedy and Reagan talked to our enemies. They succeeded with that strategy. They didn’t “appease” anyone, or give anyone anything without reciprocity, but they still did succeed. George W Bush has failed with everyone with whom he his administration has not spoken. Point proven.

Obama gets this. In fact, he brings it up ALL THE TIME, MAN. Where ya’ been???”

Both those scenarios already had policies in place. you’re the history buff, you should know this.
Obama said that Iran was not a threat yesterday. Now, he has changed his mind today to saying they are dangerous.
yea right Jersey. Why is that every talking point anywhere always comes to him not being good on national defense ?
I can give you at least 3 or 4 instances where he has displayed his arrogance and naivety on foriegn policy. And they are all quite popular and been all over the media as he blabbed his idiocy in front of millions. No one made it up.

Screw your history lesson.
How many Americans were killed in the cold war and how many have died as a result of Irans involvement in Iraq ?

Get that through your head and maybe you’ll get the point