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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/05/giant-rebuttals-about-god/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 08:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMJ

&lt;em&gt;"There are two flaws in this discourse (great listen, by the way, Yonason):"&lt;/em&gt;
They have to be, don't they, otherwise you are on very thin ice...

&lt;em&gt;"1: He assumes the objectivity of the Talmud"&lt;/em&gt;
That's not essential to the argument.  He merely mentions the Torah to bring out the amazing and increasing parallells between science and Torah.  That is one of the "predictions" made by the Jewish sages for over a thousand years.  Not a "proof" but strong evidence that can't be pushed off as casually as you try to do.

&lt;em&gt;"...2: the infallibility of the Big Bang theory"&lt;/em&gt;
No, he doesn't.  He's taking it for what it is, the best data scientists have as yet come up with.  And he's doing that in an attempt to reason with those who claim they only believe in science, because if one has no reliable tradition to fall back on, one must be rational, and reason is what one must use to develop his world view.  So, if you are "rational" and claim to base your arguments on "data" (as most claiming to be "rational" do until they find it inconvenient), then for you to dismiss the best scientific data to date, and opt for uncertainty, you are hardly being "rational," are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMJ</p>
<p><em>&#8220;There are two flaws in this discourse (great listen, by the way, Yonason):&#8221;</em><br />
They have to be, don&#8217;t they, otherwise you are on very thin ice&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;1: He assumes the objectivity of the Talmud&#8221;</em><br />
That&#8217;s not essential to the argument.  He merely mentions the Torah to bring out the amazing and increasing parallells between science and Torah.  That is one of the &#8220;predictions&#8221; made by the Jewish sages for over a thousand years.  Not a &#8220;proof&#8221; but strong evidence that can&#8217;t be pushed off as casually as you try to do.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;2: the infallibility of the Big Bang theory&#8221;</em><br />
No, he doesn&#8217;t.  He&#8217;s taking it for what it is, the best data scientists have as yet come up with.  And he&#8217;s doing that in an attempt to reason with those who claim they only believe in science, because if one has no reliable tradition to fall back on, one must be rational, and reason is what one must use to develop his world view.  So, if you are &#8220;rational&#8221; and claim to base your arguments on &#8220;data&#8221; (as most claiming to be &#8220;rational&#8221; do until they find it inconvenient), then for you to dismiss the best scientific data to date, and opt for uncertainty, you are hardly being &#8220;rational,&#8221; are you?</p>
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		<title>By: HvySlpr</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/05/giant-rebuttals-about-god/#comment-6766</link>
		<dc:creator>HvySlpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Dont even try to begin to tell me that there are no autocratic, dictative authoritarians on the left."

Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin are only considered "right-wing" by current left-wingers.  Honest historians see the link between American progressivism, current sucularist, liberals, the left's love of communism, socialism and anti-capitalism, and the socialist and facists of the early part of the 20th century.

Wanna see for yourself?  "Liberal Facism" by Jonah Goldberg is a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dont even try to begin to tell me that there are no autocratic, dictative authoritarians on the left.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin are only considered &#8220;right-wing&#8221; by current left-wingers.  Honest historians see the link between American progressivism, current sucularist, liberals, the left&#8217;s love of communism, socialism and anti-capitalism, and the socialist and facists of the early part of the 20th century.</p>
<p>Wanna see for yourself?  &#8220;Liberal Facism&#8221; by Jonah Goldberg is a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea well Jersey. It applies to everyone as much as you would like to spin it as if only conservatives have something to learn.
Dont even try to begin to tell me that there are no autocratic, dictative authoritarians on the left.
The mentallity reflected applies to anyone with an agenda driven by selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea well Jersey. It applies to everyone as much as you would like to spin it as if only conservatives have something to learn.<br />
Dont even try to begin to tell me that there are no autocratic, dictative authoritarians on the left.<br />
The mentallity reflected applies to anyone with an agenda driven by selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Laree, that was great.  It reminds me of the War on Drugs and the War on Terror.  Authoritarian conservatives need to think these things through.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Laree, that was great.  It reminds me of the War on Drugs and the War on Terror.  Authoritarian conservatives need to think these things through.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: laree</title>
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		<dc:creator>laree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric

Timeless message that doesn't get learned embraced and practiced enough by People all over the world. Apathy eventually Kills.

First they came for....

http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/let-us-all-learn-by-the-example-of-martin-neimoller/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric</p>
<p>Timeless message that doesn&#8217;t get learned embraced and practiced enough by People all over the world. Apathy eventually Kills.</p>
<p>First they came for&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/let-us-all-learn-by-the-example-of-martin-neimoller/" rel="nofollow">http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/let-us-all-learn-by-the-example-of-martin-neimoller/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/05/giant-rebuttals-about-god/#comment-6777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 11:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two flaws in this discourse (great listen, by the way, Yonason):  1: He assumes the objectivity of the Talmud and 2: the infallibility of the Big Bang theory.  It's interesting, but purely a rationalization of the Bible from a Hebrew-centric perspective.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two flaws in this discourse (great listen, by the way, Yonason):  1: He assumes the objectivity of the Talmud and 2: the infallibility of the Big Bang theory.  It&#8217;s interesting, but purely a rationalization of the Bible from a Hebrew-centric perspective.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The universe is expanding, and will not contract.  Therefore, it had a beginning, just like the Torah said.  In fact, there are is a lot more agreement between current scientific understanding of creation, and the actual fact as described in the Torah.

&lt;em&gt;A dual doctorate in Nuclear Physics and Oceanography from MIT along with high-level research in chemistry and planetary sciences gives Dr. Schroeder a decided edge over many Bible critics. How does this renowned scientist reconcile the Biblical and the scientific accounts of creation to understand what really happened "In the Beginning"?&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href="//stream.simpletoremember.com/simpletoremember/misc/Dr_Gerald_Schroeder-Genesis_and_the_Big_Bang.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's what he has to say.&lt;/a&gt;''</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The universe is expanding, and will not contract.  Therefore, it had a beginning, just like the Torah said.  In fact, there are is a lot more agreement between current scientific understanding of creation, and the actual fact as described in the Torah.</p>
<p><em>A dual doctorate in Nuclear Physics and Oceanography from MIT along with high-level research in chemistry and planetary sciences gives Dr. Schroeder a decided edge over many Bible critics. How does this renowned scientist reconcile the Biblical and the scientific accounts of creation to understand what really happened &#8220;In the Beginning&#8221;?</em></p>
<p><a href="//stream.simpletoremember.com/simpletoremember/misc/Dr_Gerald_Schroeder-Genesis_and_the_Big_Bang.mp3" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s what he has to say.</a>&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you have me giggling right now.  Mission Accomplished?  LOL!

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you have me giggling right now.  Mission Accomplished?  LOL!</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You pissed me off dude, really.
You're in my cross hairs til I burn off some testosteronies and formulate some more endorphins.
I want you to feel bad and irritated.
Maybe for yours and everyone elses sake you'll think twice before you flap yer yap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You pissed me off dude, really.<br />
You&#8217;re in my cross hairs til I burn off some testosteronies and formulate some more endorphins.<br />
I want you to feel bad and irritated.<br />
Maybe for yours and everyone elses sake you&#8217;ll think twice before you flap yer yap</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micky, all I did was offer a mainstream scientific perspective.  Jeez.

" I said countries that banned or imposed religion dont do well.
You were talking about ones with relatively little religion.

Those are two completely different scenarios.
The point is that freedom of faith allows flourisment in many areas"

Micky, you were QUALIFYING another person's remarks.  All I did was offer a different possible qualifier.  Jeez man, you go way to far out of your way for a fight.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micky, all I did was offer a mainstream scientific perspective.  Jeez.</p>
<p>&#8221; I said countries that banned or imposed religion dont do well.<br />
You were talking about ones with relatively little religion.</p>
<p>Those are two completely different scenarios.<br />
The point is that freedom of faith allows flourisment in many areas&#8221;</p>
<p>Micky, you were QUALIFYING another person&#8217;s remarks.  All I did was offer a different possible qualifier.  Jeez man, you go way to far out of your way for a fight.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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