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		<title>By: laree</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric

Did you read this? This is the MMFA who targeted Imus last year he is back at it.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/04/15/soros-s-political-hit-man-brock-takes-aim-mccain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric</p>
<p>Did you read this? This is the MMFA who targeted Imus last year he is back at it.</p>
<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/04/15/soros-s-political-hit-man-brock-takes-aim-mccain" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/04/15/soros-s-political-hit-man-brock-takes-aim-mccain</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama did what political liberals have been doing for over 40 years now...he unfairly and condescendingly ( yes, it lacked respect...) labelled and prejudged a group of people. He truly believes he understands these people just like many of my politically liberal ( there's a tremendous distinction to be made between real liberals and political liberals much the same as real conservatives and political conservatives...) friends falsely believe they understand folks based on "class" etc...this analysis of his and theirs just doesn't hold except for in liberal academic circles where "they" have figured it all out...

His elitism and prejudice shone through...

I would never have voted twice for Bill Clinton in the '90's if I believed he subscribed to Mr. Obama's flawed ( though perhaps academically correct) take on "working class" America...agree or disagree...as a Candidate and President Mr. Clinton often held fast to pragmatism ( Just ask Alan Greenspan)...Mr. Obama is turning out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing  defined by nonsense slogans such as "Change We Can Believe In." How insulting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama did what political liberals have been doing for over 40 years now&#8230;he unfairly and condescendingly ( yes, it lacked respect&#8230;) labelled and prejudged a group of people. He truly believes he understands these people just like many of my politically liberal ( there&#8217;s a tremendous distinction to be made between real liberals and political liberals much the same as real conservatives and political conservatives&#8230;) friends falsely believe they understand folks based on &#8220;class&#8221; etc&#8230;this analysis of his and theirs just doesn&#8217;t hold except for in liberal academic circles where &#8220;they&#8221; have figured it all out&#8230;</p>
<p>His elitism and prejudice shone through&#8230;</p>
<p>I would never have voted twice for Bill Clinton in the &#8217;90&#8217;s if I believed he subscribed to Mr. Obama&#8217;s flawed ( though perhaps academically correct) take on &#8220;working class&#8221; America&#8230;agree or disagree&#8230;as a Candidate and President Mr. Clinton often held fast to pragmatism ( Just ask Alan Greenspan)&#8230;Mr. Obama is turning out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing  defined by nonsense slogans such as &#8220;Change We Can Believe In.&#8221; How insulting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are poor and rich jersey.
Everything else is in the middle. I know you libs like to put a stinking label on and segregate everything into their own little distinctions to the point of oblivion. But that is all irrelevant to the point here. And the fact of the matter here is that Obama pissed off a lot of "AVERAGE" Americans middle, blue collar whatever fantastic label you would like to stick on them who go to church , want secure borders and own guns.
Get it right and stop bouncing all over the place with your ridiculous attempts to justify an snotty elitest statement.
This guy thinks him and his partys crap dont stink. And it has become clearly evident with him and his wifes statements.
And you my friend are the classic example of elitism.
You have constantly insisted with  the people that you debate on this blog and yours. You have insisted that without references or any sustainable sources that we all take your word for it that you are right and.or speaking the truth.
This is the classic example of condescending snobbery " there is no debate" elitest attitude.
9 times out of 10 you tell people its true just because you say it is. So its no wonder you are doing your best to rationalize and justify Obamas words</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are poor and rich jersey.<br />
Everything else is in the middle. I know you libs like to put a stinking label on and segregate everything into their own little distinctions to the point of oblivion. But that is all irrelevant to the point here. And the fact of the matter here is that Obama pissed off a lot of &#8220;AVERAGE&#8221; Americans middle, blue collar whatever fantastic label you would like to stick on them who go to church , want secure borders and own guns.<br />
Get it right and stop bouncing all over the place with your ridiculous attempts to justify an snotty elitest statement.<br />
This guy thinks him and his partys crap dont stink. And it has become clearly evident with him and his wifes statements.<br />
And you my friend are the classic example of elitism.<br />
You have constantly insisted with  the people that you debate on this blog and yours. You have insisted that without references or any sustainable sources that we all take your word for it that you are right and.or speaking the truth.<br />
This is the classic example of condescending snobbery &#8221; there is no debate&#8221; elitest attitude.<br />
9 times out of 10 you tell people its true just because you say it is. So its no wonder you are doing your best to rationalize and justify Obamas words</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/04/the-cnn-compassion-forum/#comment-6123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Micky, the Working Class includes service workers, blue collar workers, non-college grads, laborers, etc.  They are mostly renters, tend to but used cars, and have little or no investment worth.  The Middle Class represent white collar workers, management, professionals, and college grads.  They are mostly homeowners, buy new cars regularly, have investments beyond just assets, etc.  This is not splitting hairs.  These are serious class distinctions.

These distinctions are reflected in the way the two classes vote.  The Middle Class is less religious, and if they are religious they tend toward large organized major churches.  They tend to separate their church's positions from their political ones.  They do not care that much about gays and abortion and Ten Commanment monuments.  The Working Class - aside from the Catholics - tend to be more religious, but tend toward nondenominational churches if any at all.  They tend to mix their religious beliefs with their political persuasion, concerning themselves with such issues as gays, abortion and Ten Commandment monuments.

It goes on and on, from issues of nationalism, war, internationalism, trade - you name it.  The more educated and comfortable you are, the less likely you are to concern yourself with the "god, gays, guns" crowd.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Micky, the Working Class includes service workers, blue collar workers, non-college grads, laborers, etc.  They are mostly renters, tend to but used cars, and have little or no investment worth.  The Middle Class represent white collar workers, management, professionals, and college grads.  They are mostly homeowners, buy new cars regularly, have investments beyond just assets, etc.  This is not splitting hairs.  These are serious class distinctions.</p>
<p>These distinctions are reflected in the way the two classes vote.  The Middle Class is less religious, and if they are religious they tend toward large organized major churches.  They tend to separate their church&#8217;s positions from their political ones.  They do not care that much about gays and abortion and Ten Commanment monuments.  The Working Class - aside from the Catholics - tend to be more religious, but tend toward nondenominational churches if any at all.  They tend to mix their religious beliefs with their political persuasion, concerning themselves with such issues as gays, abortion and Ten Commandment monuments.</p>
<p>It goes on and on, from issues of nationalism, war, internationalism, trade - you name it.  The more educated and comfortable you are, the less likely you are to concern yourself with the &#8220;god, gays, guns&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMJ;
"The Middle Class is more politically asute. It’s the Working Class that tend to get their blood up about such issues. "
The two are almost one in the same jersey, you're loosing and you're splitting hairs.

The rest of your rant is just opinion.
The fact is he pissed off a lot of people who are not so stupid they dont know when they are being insuloted.
Stop trying to justify and minimize it, you look like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMJ;<br />
&#8220;The Middle Class is more politically asute. It’s the Working Class that tend to get their blood up about such issues. &#8221;<br />
The two are almost one in the same jersey, you&#8217;re loosing and you&#8217;re splitting hairs.</p>
<p>The rest of your rant is just opinion.<br />
The fact is he pissed off a lot of people who are not so stupid they dont know when they are being insuloted.<br />
Stop trying to justify and minimize it, you look like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We have control over God, gays and guns?"

What I meant was that as issues these matters give people something they feel like they can wrap around, so to speak - they figure they can't ever win against the Corporatists, so instead they focus on other issues - like God, gays and guns - and lately "illegal aliens."  It's not really really a Middle Class matter, so I don't know what you and Gayle are talking about.  The Middle Class is more politically asute.  It's the Working Class that tend to get their blood up about such issues.

"It was you who said a while back there is no such thing as the death tax. And then you go and use it to make point."

I put it in quotes, Micky.

This gets to a serious problem we have in America today - the working class feels comlpetely out of touch with Washington, and you can't blame them.  They have been squeezed and squeezed and have to work harder and harder and yet they just can't seem to climb that hill the way they used to.  So, failing to accomplish anything of substance, they focus their bitterness on minorities, homosexuals, religious issues, and guns - none of which are a real threat to them, but they have to pick on someone to feel better about themselves.  Sleazy pols pick up on this sentiment us use them as bait for the switch.  Here's an example I always use:

The poltician says, I love God, God hates gays, I hate gays, I love tax breaks for the filthy rich, God loves tax breaks for the filthy rich, therefore you love tax breaks for the filthy rich.  And It goes on like that.  I call it the Eyes Off the Prize strategy.  Focus bitter voters on their lesser angels instead of issues that really concern them.  So let's say the economy is wrecked and it's thanks to laizzez faire corporatism.  So, don't run on laizzez faire corporatism, just rally people around their irratioanl fears of being disarmed or that their kids are being seduced by the "homosexual agenda" or that their church is being abused.  None of it is true, but it keeps them bitter and focuses on everything EXCEPT what they should be concerned with - the failure of laizzez faire corporatism.  Sleazy pols know one thing - there's one born every minute.  They can't on them.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have control over God, gays and guns?&#8221;</p>
<p>What I meant was that as issues these matters give people something they feel like they can wrap around, so to speak - they figure they can&#8217;t ever win against the Corporatists, so instead they focus on other issues - like God, gays and guns - and lately &#8220;illegal aliens.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not really really a Middle Class matter, so I don&#8217;t know what you and Gayle are talking about.  The Middle Class is more politically asute.  It&#8217;s the Working Class that tend to get their blood up about such issues.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was you who said a while back there is no such thing as the death tax. And then you go and use it to make point.&#8221;</p>
<p>I put it in quotes, Micky.</p>
<p>This gets to a serious problem we have in America today - the working class feels comlpetely out of touch with Washington, and you can&#8217;t blame them.  They have been squeezed and squeezed and have to work harder and harder and yet they just can&#8217;t seem to climb that hill the way they used to.  So, failing to accomplish anything of substance, they focus their bitterness on minorities, homosexuals, religious issues, and guns - none of which are a real threat to them, but they have to pick on someone to feel better about themselves.  Sleazy pols pick up on this sentiment us use them as bait for the switch.  Here&#8217;s an example I always use:</p>
<p>The poltician says, I love God, God hates gays, I hate gays, I love tax breaks for the filthy rich, God loves tax breaks for the filthy rich, therefore you love tax breaks for the filthy rich.  And It goes on like that.  I call it the Eyes Off the Prize strategy.  Focus bitter voters on their lesser angels instead of issues that really concern them.  So let&#8217;s say the economy is wrecked and it&#8217;s thanks to laizzez faire corporatism.  So, don&#8217;t run on laizzez faire corporatism, just rally people around their irratioanl fears of being disarmed or that their kids are being seduced by the &#8220;homosexual agenda&#8221; or that their church is being abused.  None of it is true, but it keeps them bitter and focuses on everything EXCEPT what they should be concerned with - the failure of laizzez faire corporatism.  Sleazy pols know one thing - there&#8217;s one born every minute.  They can&#8217;t on them.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey2's answer to Jersey is right on!  Good for you, Mickey.

What Obama said is an insult to every middle-class Christian and to everyone who believes in the second amendment!  Why he thought he could spout his bigotted rhetoric without getting caught is a sign that he has no common sense whatsoever.  In this age you can be put on You Tube for farting in public!  What an egotistical idiot he has proven himself to be.

I didn't watch this CNN thing you posted about, Eric.  I always feel soiled when I turn on CNN but sometimes I watch it just to see what they're up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey2&#8217;s answer to Jersey is right on!  Good for you, Mickey.</p>
<p>What Obama said is an insult to every middle-class Christian and to everyone who believes in the second amendment!  Why he thought he could spout his bigotted rhetoric without getting caught is a sign that he has no common sense whatsoever.  In this age you can be put on You Tube for farting in public!  What an egotistical idiot he has proven himself to be.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t watch this CNN thing you posted about, Eric.  I always feel soiled when I turn on CNN but sometimes I watch it just to see what they&#8217;re up too.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - &lt;a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/04/web-reconnaissance-for-04152008.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; Web Reconnaissance for 04/15/2008 &lt;/a&gt; A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/04/web-reconnaissance-for-04152008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 04/15/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have control over God, gays and guns?

It may be a reality to you because of the way you see the American middle class. Unfortunatly its not really true, thats the reason so many were offended by that line.
First of all he revealed his lack of vision by saying these people are bitter, these people aren't "bitter". They love their country, their faith, their family and their traditions. They are the heart and soul of this country, the fabric of our countrys strength and the ones behind its essential goodness.  Obama obviously hasnt spent much time with them.
What he said was implying that we are bigoted, primitive, superstitious, and that is supposedly the reason we feel such injustice
This is a narrow minded elitest conclusion that only an elite know it all snob wouuld think is true to the point he would blab it to the whole country.

Obama's premise is that Americans, especially working-class conservatives, are unable, because of their false consciousness, to deconstruct their way of life and embrace liberal BS.
What he said mat be true in some small circles of redneck evangelical corners.
But it was a disgusting verbal display of generalizations that showed contempt for average conservatrive Americans that only some snotty " better than you " attitude could be responsible for.
Jersey, its no surprise that you would agree with Obama in thinking this is true. The only reason you and him feel the same way is because you are both guilty of thinking that your concept of things is a reality. Your contempt for middle America republicans could be quite similar to an elitest black mans contempt for white conservative middle America, at least it seems that way.
John Kerry blew it by saying something similar with his " pickup truck" remark.
Unfortunatly Jersey the real truth of the matter here is that with or without bitterness middle American cons and repd have always been clinging to their guns a right, not for solice. We have always clung to our faith in good and bad, and if we do pray for inspiration , whats wrong with that &#62; And we have always wanted to secure our borders and countrys security from illegal immigration.
That does not make us so ignorant that we need some naany stae dictatorship of a government telling us what to do because we are supposedly so stupid we cant make our own choices.
If I went and said something similar about  black middle America the sh** would hit the fan and all you moonbats would start accusing me of every ingnorant trait under the sun.

JMJ
"I'm actually loosing I.Q. points just talking about it "

There you go, perfect example of presumed higher intelligence.
When the conversation doesnt suit an elitest he no longer trys to make ihis point with clear examples , he just dismisses the whole thing with " I'm too smart for this"

When actually hes having a hard time proving something that isnt true.

(PS)
It was you who said a while back there is no such thing as the death tax. And then you go and use it to make point.
And , really " country clubs ?
Typical lib. Thinks that because someone is wealthy or can afford private establishments hes an elite.
There are plenty of rich people who are not snotty condescending or elitist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have control over God, gays and guns?</p>
<p>It may be a reality to you because of the way you see the American middle class. Unfortunatly its not really true, thats the reason so many were offended by that line.<br />
First of all he revealed his lack of vision by saying these people are bitter, these people aren&#8217;t &#8220;bitter&#8221;. They love their country, their faith, their family and their traditions. They are the heart and soul of this country, the fabric of our countrys strength and the ones behind its essential goodness.  Obama obviously hasnt spent much time with them.<br />
What he said was implying that we are bigoted, primitive, superstitious, and that is supposedly the reason we feel such injustice<br />
This is a narrow minded elitest conclusion that only an elite know it all snob wouuld think is true to the point he would blab it to the whole country.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s premise is that Americans, especially working-class conservatives, are unable, because of their false consciousness, to deconstruct their way of life and embrace liberal BS.<br />
What he said mat be true in some small circles of redneck evangelical corners.<br />
But it was a disgusting verbal display of generalizations that showed contempt for average conservatrive Americans that only some snotty &#8221; better than you &#8221; attitude could be responsible for.<br />
Jersey, its no surprise that you would agree with Obama in thinking this is true. The only reason you and him feel the same way is because you are both guilty of thinking that your concept of things is a reality. Your contempt for middle America republicans could be quite similar to an elitest black mans contempt for white conservative middle America, at least it seems that way.<br />
John Kerry blew it by saying something similar with his &#8221; pickup truck&#8221; remark.<br />
Unfortunatly Jersey the real truth of the matter here is that with or without bitterness middle American cons and repd have always been clinging to their guns a right, not for solice. We have always clung to our faith in good and bad, and if we do pray for inspiration , whats wrong with that &gt; And we have always wanted to secure our borders and countrys security from illegal immigration.<br />
That does not make us so ignorant that we need some naany stae dictatorship of a government telling us what to do because we are supposedly so stupid we cant make our own choices.<br />
If I went and said something similar about  black middle America the sh** would hit the fan and all you moonbats would start accusing me of every ingnorant trait under the sun.</p>
<p>JMJ<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m actually loosing I.Q. points just talking about it &#8221;</p>
<p>There you go, perfect example of presumed higher intelligence.<br />
When the conversation doesnt suit an elitest he no longer trys to make ihis point with clear examples , he just dismisses the whole thing with &#8221; I&#8217;m too smart for this&#8221;</p>
<p>When actually hes having a hard time proving something that isnt true.</p>
<p>(PS)<br />
It was you who said a while back there is no such thing as the death tax. And then you go and use it to make point.<br />
And , really &#8221; country clubs ?<br />
Typical lib. Thinks that because someone is wealthy or can afford private establishments hes an elite.<br />
There are plenty of rich people who are not snotty condescending or elitist</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There is no such thing as the “death tax”"

That is correct.

What Obama was saying is true - frustrated, disenfranchised, working class people who have seen no real improvement in their lives in well over a generation turn to issues with which they feel they have some control and security - God, gays, and guns.  That's not some snobby, "elitist" conclusion - it's a plain reality so obvious that you'd have to be seriously brain damaged not to see it.

Look Country Club Republicans and Prius Driving Liberals all have their snobs among them.  The tag "liberal elite," as I said, is a canard, and I'm feeling like I'm actually losing IQ points just talking about it, so I'm going to stop now.

And Chris is right, Christians regularly study the Old Testament, and Born Again Fundies selectively use the text regularly.  You can't get through almost any serious seminary without a thorough knowledge of Judaism.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no such thing as the “death tax”&#8221;</p>
<p>That is correct.</p>
<p>What Obama was saying is true - frustrated, disenfranchised, working class people who have seen no real improvement in their lives in well over a generation turn to issues with which they feel they have some control and security - God, gays, and guns.  That&#8217;s not some snobby, &#8220;elitist&#8221; conclusion - it&#8217;s a plain reality so obvious that you&#8217;d have to be seriously brain damaged not to see it.</p>
<p>Look Country Club Republicans and Prius Driving Liberals all have their snobs among them.  The tag &#8220;liberal elite,&#8221; as I said, is a canard, and I&#8217;m feeling like I&#8217;m actually losing IQ points just talking about it, so I&#8217;m going to stop now.</p>
<p>And Chris is right, Christians regularly study the Old Testament, and Born Again Fundies selectively use the text regularly.  You can&#8217;t get through almost any serious seminary without a thorough knowledge of Judaism.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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