Don’t talk about The Conservative Mind like you know anything about it if you haven’t read it. You don’t see me critiquing your Dr. Seuss books.

McCain-Feingold prevents certain people from speaking out during elections. These people might be people you don’t like, but that’s the whole idea of protecting free speech. As long as the 1st Amendment continues to allow pornography to be made and for NAMBLA to publish its ideas, liberals have no problem. But we can’t have issue groups speaking their minds about candidates or issues.

I suppose you also agree with limiting the speech of pastors in churches. And I’m sure you’ll deny that it’s a limit on free speech if all they lose is their tax exemption, but then you’ve violated separation of Church and state. So, you just can’t win.

Okay, Chris, how does McCain-Feingold limit free speech? Put your money where your Rush Limbaugh fandom is.

JMJ

As for McCain-Feingold, I could care less what a Boston Globe editor has to say about it, for one. For another, it limits political speech-the very point of the free speech clause of the first amendment. There’s nothing conservative about limiting political speech. Nothing.

“What was limited and conservative about McCain-Feingold?”

A Boston Globe editor was asked about that the other day on C-Span after her conservative paper had endorsed McCain. She said, and I paraphrase, as for McCain-Fiengold, I don’t see anything conservative about supporting corruption. She thought McCain-Fiengold was good, conservative, legislation. Do you think the old soft money system was good? How about the second party soft money? How about disclosure? Other than just following Rush Limbaugh, whom I assume is like Jesus to you, what exactly is your problem with McCain-Feingold?

I’m familiar with The Conservative Mind. In it’s assertions that morality is law, static is change, disgression is bad, etc, it seems clear that it was written by an unhappy reactionary. Whatever. McCain may not be that conservative. But to call him a “liberal” is just childish.

JMJ

Try again. His fiscal bona fides hardly make him a conservative. This is what I mean by changing definitions. There’s much more to being conservative than being against deficits. As for his limited government positions, don’t make me laugh. He’s for whatever government he needs to further his agenda. What was limited and conservative about McCain-Feingold?

Here’s more: http://www.rightnation.us/forums/blog/mr__naron/index.php?showentry=2315

Also, you might want to pick up a copy of The Conservative Mind by Russell Kirk. It’s the most complete description of conservatism in existence. And not because Kirk comes up with a really neat sounding definition, but because he shows what conservativism means through the great minds of the movement going all the way back to Edmund Burke.

Oh ! And you do ? So you mention China ? So much for quality control huh ?
You understand it so well, yet you cant explain away our counter arguements.
Which can only mean that you are wrong.
The bottom line is this.
It does very little for the environment or the economy .
It brings 4 billion a year into Americas economy. Thats chump change jersey.
As you say , much of our plastic paper and metal is recycled only because people have been shammed into believing it somehow helps.
To recycle is one thing. To make us pay for doing it is wrong . Seeing as how the process is actually making money for companies like the one you worked for and other countries (like china), and its benefit for the environment has not been proven very limited, the average American is spending more under false pretences.
If it is so beneficial to the market why must I lose 17.5% of my investment every time I buy a soda ?

As for what you buy that is recycled, you don’t have a clue. Much of the plastic, paper and metal that is all around you was recycled in China et al and made into what you have today.

You guys just don’t understand these issues beyond a very base and simplistic level.

JMJ