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		<title>By: micky2</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/11/those-who-praise-the-troops-need-to-listen-to-them/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea well, the point remains the same. We will put iraq back together. And as of the surge its only gotten better. I was simply reflecting on your last sentence as making sense.
Plus. it would give your son a little more optimism about his purpose in Iraq.

Things are actually getting alot better in Iraq. But of course god forbid the media air any good news.
Even NBC has done positive stories on the progress in the last 2 days. When NBC does a good story on Iraq you bet there are at least a 100 others not being told

"There’s an old expression about war: “Victory has many fathers, while defeat is an orphan.” But in the case of Iraq, it seems the other way around. We’ve blamed many for the ordeal of the last four years, but it is the American victory in Anbar province that now seems without parents.

Over the last few months, the U.S. military forced Sunni insurgents in Anbar to quit fighting. This enemy, in the heart of the so-called Sunni Triangle, had been responsible for most American casualties in the war and was the main cause of unrest in Iraq. Even more unexpectedly, some of the defeated tribes then joined in an alliance of convenience with their American victors to chase al-Qaida from Iraq’s major cities.
As President Bush recently told U.S. troops about Anbar province: “It was once written off as lost. It is now one of the safest places in Iraq.”

But that dramatic turnabout in Iraq is rarely reported on. We know as much about O.J.’s escapades in Vegas as we do about the Anbar awakening or the flight of al-Qaida from Baghdad. When we occasionally do hear about Iraq, it is just as likely through a Hollywood movie — “In the Valley of Elah,” “Redacted,” “Lions for Lambs” — preaching to us how the U.S. was mostly incompetent or amoral in fighting a hopeless war.

The Abu Ghraib prison scandal of 2004 warranted 32 consecutive days on The New York Times’ front page. Congressional appeals for timetables and scheduled withdrawals, amid cries of “fiasco” and “quagmire,” were regularly reported this summer. Now, though, there is largely silence in newspaper headlines about the growing peace in Anbar province.

Why this abrupt amnesia about Iraq, given a radical drop in American casualties and entire cities now largely free from serial violence?

Many anti-war critics are so invested in the notion of the Iraq war as the “worst” something or other in U.S. history that they cannot accept the radical turnaround after over four years of war.

Other opponents have simply changed their argument from “Iraq is lost” to “Even if we do win, it will not have been worth the cost.” Either way, good news from the front seems to translate into no news.

Even some supporters of the war are leery and hesitant to tout American success. Maybe they remember past optimism over successful elections and the euphoria over the purple fingers — all occurring prior to the Shiite/Sunni sectarian bloodletting of 2006.

New uncertainties elsewhere also overshadow Iraq — the falling dollar, martial law in Pakistan, skyrocketing oil prices, and fear of a soon-to-be nuclear Iran. Amid all that chaos, Iraq may no longer be our chief worry. continued... "

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=when_good_news_is_no_news&#38;ns=VictorDavisHanson&#38;dt=11/15/2007&#38;page=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea well, the point remains the same. We will put iraq back together. And as of the surge its only gotten better. I was simply reflecting on your last sentence as making sense.<br />
Plus. it would give your son a little more optimism about his purpose in Iraq.</p>
<p>Things are actually getting alot better in Iraq. But of course god forbid the media air any good news.<br />
Even NBC has done positive stories on the progress in the last 2 days. When NBC does a good story on Iraq you bet there are at least a 100 others not being told</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s an old expression about war: “Victory has many fathers, while defeat is an orphan.” But in the case of Iraq, it seems the other way around. We’ve blamed many for the ordeal of the last four years, but it is the American victory in Anbar province that now seems without parents.</p>
<p>Over the last few months, the U.S. military forced Sunni insurgents in Anbar to quit fighting. This enemy, in the heart of the so-called Sunni Triangle, had been responsible for most American casualties in the war and was the main cause of unrest in Iraq. Even more unexpectedly, some of the defeated tribes then joined in an alliance of convenience with their American victors to chase al-Qaida from Iraq’s major cities.<br />
As President Bush recently told U.S. troops about Anbar province: “It was once written off as lost. It is now one of the safest places in Iraq.”</p>
<p>But that dramatic turnabout in Iraq is rarely reported on. We know as much about O.J.’s escapades in Vegas as we do about the Anbar awakening or the flight of al-Qaida from Baghdad. When we occasionally do hear about Iraq, it is just as likely through a Hollywood movie — “In the Valley of Elah,” “Redacted,” “Lions for Lambs” — preaching to us how the U.S. was mostly incompetent or amoral in fighting a hopeless war.</p>
<p>The Abu Ghraib prison scandal of 2004 warranted 32 consecutive days on The New York Times’ front page. Congressional appeals for timetables and scheduled withdrawals, amid cries of “fiasco” and “quagmire,” were regularly reported this summer. Now, though, there is largely silence in newspaper headlines about the growing peace in Anbar province.</p>
<p>Why this abrupt amnesia about Iraq, given a radical drop in American casualties and entire cities now largely free from serial violence?</p>
<p>Many anti-war critics are so invested in the notion of the Iraq war as the “worst” something or other in U.S. history that they cannot accept the radical turnaround after over four years of war.</p>
<p>Other opponents have simply changed their argument from “Iraq is lost” to “Even if we do win, it will not have been worth the cost.” Either way, good news from the front seems to translate into no news.</p>
<p>Even some supporters of the war are leery and hesitant to tout American success. Maybe they remember past optimism over successful elections and the euphoria over the purple fingers — all occurring prior to the Shiite/Sunni sectarian bloodletting of 2006.</p>
<p>New uncertainties elsewhere also overshadow Iraq — the falling dollar, martial law in Pakistan, skyrocketing oil prices, and fear of a soon-to-be nuclear Iran. Amid all that chaos, Iraq may no longer be our chief worry. continued&#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=when_good_news_is_no_news&amp;ns=VictorDavisHanson&amp;dt=11/15/2007&amp;page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=when_good_news_is_no_news&amp;ns=VictorDavisHanson&amp;dt=11/15/2007&amp;page=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I'm not sure you got it. What I was saying was that the demonization of Iran and terrorism in general may very well change over time, so the manner in which you approach Iran and other "axis of evil" states should be judged in that light. Look at how the conservatives are suddenly all ga-ga over Sarkozy. All of sudden it's okay to be French again. Or look at the pictures of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Back then, we supported Saddam and all of a sudden he became evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;m not sure you got it. What I was saying was that the demonization of Iran and terrorism in general may very well change over time, so the manner in which you approach Iran and other &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; states should be judged in that light. Look at how the conservatives are suddenly all ga-ga over Sarkozy. All of sudden it&#8217;s okay to be French again. Or look at the pictures of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Back then, we supported Saddam and all of a sudden he became evil.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg wrote;
"their example shows that there is no reason why the same kind of success and transformation couldn’t happen today."



Gosh Greg, thankyou.  :-)
I hope jersey gets it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg wrote;<br />
&#8220;their example shows that there is no reason why the same kind of success and transformation couldn’t happen today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gosh Greg, thankyou.  <img src='http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I hope jersey gets it.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is not whether Germany and Japan were industrialized or not prior to WW2. The difference between the reconstruction of Germany and Japan then versus the reconstruction of Iraq now is that the Iraqis are engaged in fighting a civil war amongst themselves, Shiites versus Sunnis versus Kurds. That wasn't the case with Japan, Germany, the UK or France.

But the history of reconstruction and world politics after WW2 is instructive but for a different reason. Germany and Japan were demonized just like Iraq under Hussein and Iran is today. The "Krauts" and the "Japs" were labeled the terrorists of their day. They were responsible for far more American deaths than the recent wave of terror and their example shows that there is no reason why the same kind of success and transformation couldn't happen today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is not whether Germany and Japan were industrialized or not prior to WW2. The difference between the reconstruction of Germany and Japan then versus the reconstruction of Iraq now is that the Iraqis are engaged in fighting a civil war amongst themselves, Shiites versus Sunnis versus Kurds. That wasn&#8217;t the case with Japan, Germany, the UK or France.</p>
<p>But the history of reconstruction and world politics after WW2 is instructive but for a different reason. Germany and Japan were demonized just like Iraq under Hussein and Iran is today. The &#8220;Krauts&#8221; and the &#8220;Japs&#8221; were labeled the terrorists of their day. They were responsible for far more American deaths than the recent wave of terror and their example shows that there is no reason why the same kind of success and transformation couldn&#8217;t happen today.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didnt read a thing I wrote, did you ?

R E C O N S T R U C T I ON , Get it ?
We've done it before and we're doing it again, thankyou.

Prior economies are not the issue Sherlock. Why , for the third time, are you stuttering ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didnt read a thing I wrote, did you ?</p>
<p>R E C O N S T R U C T I ON , Get it ?<br />
We&#8217;ve done it before and we&#8217;re doing it again, thankyou.</p>
<p>Prior economies are not the issue Sherlock. Why , for the third time, are you stuttering ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan and Germany were developed Western states prior to WWII.  Iraq, like Vietnam, is another story.  Comparing Iraq, or Vietnam, with Europe and Japan is like comparing Waco to New York - almost exactly.  ;)

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan and Germany were developed Western states prior to WWII.  Iraq, like Vietnam, is another story.  Comparing Iraq, or Vietnam, with Europe and Japan is like comparing Waco to New York - almost exactly.  <img src='http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read to my reference.
Although I made the mistake of saying "before the war' I clearly speak of rebuilding after the war. That is really what the subject concerning Iraq was all about in the first place.
Sorry if I mislead you. But then again, you are a liberal.
At no time other than my mind fart did I say that Japan or Germany were not ecnomically viable.
As far as Iraq goes, we aint goin nowhere.
Everyone is now finally getting hip to this. You have , and so have I.
The problem will be that no matter what we do it will take time to put infrastucture and commerce back together as it did with France, Germany , England, and Japan.
And during the whole time the lefturds will be searching for mistakes and things to bitch about the whole time. This is of course an opinion . But based on their track record I would gaurantee it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read to my reference.<br />
Although I made the mistake of saying &#8220;before the war&#8217; I clearly speak of rebuilding after the war. That is really what the subject concerning Iraq was all about in the first place.<br />
Sorry if I mislead you. But then again, you are a liberal.<br />
At no time other than my mind fart did I say that Japan or Germany were not ecnomically viable.<br />
As far as Iraq goes, we aint goin nowhere.<br />
Everyone is now finally getting hip to this. You have , and so have I.<br />
The problem will be that no matter what we do it will take time to put infrastucture and commerce back together as it did with France, Germany , England, and Japan.<br />
And during the whole time the lefturds will be searching for mistakes and things to bitch about the whole time. This is of course an opinion . But based on their track record I would gaurantee it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey McJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey McJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micky, if you think that Japan and Germany were not developed Western states prior to WWII, then you are historically ILLITERATE.

JMJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micky, if you think that Japan and Germany were not developed Western states prior to WWII, then you are historically ILLITERATE.</p>
<p>JMJ</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides that , the subject at hand is the reconstruction of Iraq. Which is progressing more now than ever. As I have shown documented proof of repeatedly.
The other subject and point I was making was that every country we have shredded has come back to a better and more fruitful function. PERIOD.
We saved France and Britains ass. And rebuilt their countries also. Along with liberating East germany. SAnd numerous other oppressed peoples.
After WW2 reconstruction of Japan has proven to also be very profitable on all fronts.
Iraq will not be any different.
But of course the left would like to ignore history. Non of this happened over night</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides that , the subject at hand is the reconstruction of Iraq. Which is progressing more now than ever. As I have shown documented proof of repeatedly.<br />
The other subject and point I was making was that every country we have shredded has come back to a better and more fruitful function. PERIOD.<br />
We saved France and Britains ass. And rebuilt their countries also. Along with liberating East germany. SAnd numerous other oppressed peoples.<br />
After WW2 reconstruction of Japan has proven to also be very profitable on all fronts.<br />
Iraq will not be any different.<br />
But of course the left would like to ignore history. Non of this happened over night</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMJ wrote;
"Japan and Germany were already Western, or Westernized, industrial powers before the war, Micky."

Not before WW2 jersey.

JMJ said;
"Can I ask you this: If the total price tag for this stupid war reaches 1.5 trillion, or God forbid 2.5 trillion, will it still be have been worth it to you?"

YUP !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMJ wrote;<br />
&#8220;Japan and Germany were already Western, or Westernized, industrial powers before the war, Micky.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not before WW2 jersey.</p>
<p>JMJ said;<br />
&#8220;Can I ask you this: If the total price tag for this stupid war reaches 1.5 trillion, or God forbid 2.5 trillion, will it still be have been worth it to you?&#8221;</p>
<p>YUP !</p>
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