Until very recently I haven’t been able to see any of these debate other than the one that was on PBS because I don’t have cable. But I recently got Broadband and YouTube has been very kind to me as has C-Span .

I actually liked the way YouTube had each question isolated for your viewing. Sure it was bad but frankly no worse than others I have seen, they are all bad. I think the Republican bloggers went way overboard with their criticism. We all would like to see a better format but then again we get something. I like to think Republicans have a longer attention span personally I think 90 seconds is way to little time to properly answer a question. I would like to see more challenges between the candidates, those are the interesting parts, this is where one candidate can distinguish himself from the others.

Winners and losers. This is the first time I have actually thought Thompson showed well, he looked awake and answered the questions rather Presidential. Romney seemed uncomfortable to me very much out of his element (a pure waste of his $17 million). McCain didn’t look to bad, needs a stronger stand on immigration, he has made some stupid statements in the past about what American workers won’t do. Show me where those fields are for people to pick lettuce for $50K a year. Although I do like McCain and think he would make a pretty reasonable president. A lot of people saw Huckabee as a winner, I didn’t see that, he seems weak to me. I like Hunter but he doesn’t have a snowballs chance in a pizza oven. BTW Eric, the problem with American goods is not that they are inferior but they are non existent. Personally I try whenever possible to buy not just American but local, it is a challenge. I am 62 and have never owned anything but the big 3 American car manufacturers. At the moment I have 3 all with over 100K and going strong with little more than regular maintenance. Try it, you might like it. Buying American is a whole blog by itself, maybe I will write one. Guilani is ok and I can live with him, but I must say he does strike me as rather slippery but a good manager and I think he would be strong on Defense which is one of my key issues the other being borders and he is not as strong as Hunter or Tancredo but hopefully he would make the right decisions. Ron Paul is a nut job with followers that are even more nutty. This isn’t very complete but it is cold and I am going back to bed. OH, BTW, I am a very non committed Republican and have no idea who I will vote for but I do believe that all but Ron Paul are better than any of the Dems.

If anyone would like you can email me barrym@tds.net or check out my blog http://barrym.townhall.com/

ROTFLMAO ! HA ! HA!

Some nut low on his meds with flares strapped to his ass storms the Hillary campaign headquarters and Jersey gets all lit up and excited , LOL!
Oo, Oo, gotta go ! Oo, Oo.
Probably was thinking it was some desperate right winger and couldnt wait to start slinging mud and write a big ole post about the crazy nazis and how they know they’re gonna lose.
Sorry, I cant help it.

I got a quick response, CHICKEN!

You said;
“* I respect my family. I don’t give a rat’s @$$ about the flag.”
I respect my flag the way that you respect your family, dont piss on my flag.

JMJ said;
“* The ACLU was right to defend NAMBLA”
Then why did they back out ? They DID NOT IN THE END !

JMJ said;
“I came from an embryo, Micky, not embryos. Otherwise there’d be more me’s running around out there.”

This about as dumb as you’ve gotten… so far

JMJ said;
” Again, learn your history. I am Irish, Italian, and Portuguese. In America today, I’m as “white” and undiscriminated against as you.
How the hell would you know ? I am a minority where I live ! And I dont go running to the ACLU everytime someone looks at me crosseyed.

JMJ said;
“Your point about recycling and your point about recycling CFLs argues against itself.”

How ? I beg you , how? Explain , elaborate. You cant just always be Gods word Jersey.
It doesnt work just because you say so.

JMJ said;
“No one is asking you to bend over, Micky. That’s why I call this a non-issue. It just shouldn’t matter to you. It doesn’t apply to you in any way.”

OH! Now you are allowed to decide what does and doesnt apply and matter to me ? What an A**hole.

JMJ said;
” No one is trying to silence you. You’re just paranoid.”

What an absolute line of crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your PC crap is the biggest silencing mechanism this country has ever seen.

* The ACLU was right to defend NAMBLA against that charge. As for NAMBLA, I hope they all die slow deaths.

* I came from an embryo, Micky, not embryos. Otherwise there’d be more me’s running around out there.

* I respect my family. I don’t give a rat’s @$$ about the flag.

* Again, learn your history. I am Irish, Italian, and Portuguese. In America today, I’m as “white” and undiscriminated against as you.

* Your point about recycling and your point about recycling CFLs argues against itself.

* No one is asking you to bend over, Micky. That’s why I call this a non-issue. It just shouldn’t matter to you. It doesn’t apply to you in any way.

* No one is trying to silence you. You’re just paranoid.

JMJ

As a matter of fact “I did”
The ACLU made an attempt to defend the defendant but soon realized that it was not in “their” best interest.
I read it and cut and pasted the case for you ! Wize up and stop saying things that hurt when you pull them out.
i rammed that one down your throat. And you never replied.

JMJ said;
“My embryos? I don’t even know what that means.”

The one that you came from ? Duh ?

JMJ said;
“It’s a symbol, Micky. A piece of cloth. Besides, I thought you were a Ten Commandments man - shouldn’t you disdain false idols?”

I do not worship the flag any more than I do a picture of your family, they both have a significance that should be respected.

JMJ said;
“Does this bother you? You call yourself “Micky,” right? Are you Irish? Do you know what people used to say about the Irish? Do you know what they used to do to them? Ever hear of “Irish need not apply”? Not big on history, huh?”

Not big on history ? You are a bigot because you assume “Micky is only relevant to the Irish ? Its a nickname for Michael, wise up. I am Danish, German, and Mahican or ( Muhhekunneuw). I got a nickname for you, does that mean you deserve special recognition ? With a name like “McJones” I wouldnt be surprised you’re crying about that one. Would you like some legislation to help you along in life ?

JMJ said;
“Besides, we have nothing to lose if we act, and everything to lose if we don’t. (Conservatives muct make lousy gamblers)”

Nothing to loose ? Thats just stupid, seen my grocery bill ? Its costing me to find another way to put my son through college.
I dont gamble. And you do ? Are libs are better ganblers ? That makes me feel better about libs.
The lib enviromentalists are the ones stopping nuclear in this country with fear mongering rumors.
But still during the last heat wave in France hundreds of poor people died because it was upon them to conserve energy and not the rich.

JMJ said;
“Anyone who think Ethanol is a “liberal” issue is about as informed as a deaf, dumb, blind, comatose, retarded, braindead, illiterate hermit.”

Jimmy Carter started it all when he told the world we would be out of fossil fuels in 10 to 20 years and pushed grain fuels forward to the likes of no administration previous.
Since then it has spread to both parties using it as foundation for self serving subsidies to farmers.
We had this debate a while back and we presented you and Greg with an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary and you still act as a deaf, dumb, blind, comatose, retarded, braindead, illiterate hermit.”
You are like an unruly child.

I said;
“Recycling is a big farce, except for aluminum and plastic.”
You said;
“Another ignorant statement. Paper recycling is a huge and profitable industry, as is glass, copper, wastewater and all sorts of other things. Again (and it’s getting a little old) you are apparently just ignorant of the subject.”

I’m not !
I have a ton of facts on the issue right here at my thumbnail, let me refresh your memeory, if you have one.
Mandatory recycling, moreover, as its very name implies, ignores the law of supply and demand. That is why so much recycled paper is ultimately landfilled. When, for instance, New Jersey “passed legislation that required every community in the state to recycle, the recycling rate for newspapers jumped from 50 percent to 62 percent. This, in turn, created such a glut that the price of newsprint fell $45 per ton to minus $25 per ton!” (Facts not Fear.) You read that correctly: recyclers had to pay $25 per ton for someone to haul the newspapers away.

In Europe, where the recycling craze has really run amok, the German government (e.g.) required businesses to take back from customers and recycle all forms of packaging, including bottles, cans, containers, cartons, and sacks. In no time, the (nonprofit) company that collects and sorts the items was $412 million in debt, and the government admitted that tons and tons of the material would be landfilled anyway, because there wasn’t enough demand for that kind of supply.

JMJ said;
“The CFL/Mercury issue could easily be addressed by recycling, by the way.”

If it was so easy why has it not been done ? True, there are a couple of places to drop off your CFLs but not enough to be attractive.
I recycle cans and dig through the trash every morning for them, I gross a hundred a week and feed the homeless with the money (minorities and gays) and find CFLs constantly.

JMJ said;
“The only anti-discrimination assistance you would need, Micky, is protection from people who abuse people who are uninformed.’

Do mean the uninformed Gays and minorities who think they have a right to make the whole world bend over for their choices ?

The bottom line is this.
You can come up with all the anti discrimination laws and movements you want.
But you cant and never ever will legislate morals or ethics.
Their will still be racism, bigotry and discrimination no matter what you do.
these are the choice people make due to upbringing or events in their life.
We as parents can only teach our young that its wrong.
But To have the government try to tell me how I should act or treat others is wrong.

You claim free speech when you want to accuse the President of the United States a murderer and a liar.
But you want to silence those who have feelings towards gays for whatever reason.

You cant have it both ways.

“I already shut you down on the ACLU wanting to give equal and fair treatment to child molesters (nambla)”

No, Mick, you didn’t. You just came off as ignorant of the particular case in question. NAMBLA had nothing to do with what that molester did. Why don’t you try reading about the case so you don’t look foolish in the future.

ENDA (not EDNA, Micky) is far from full Affirmative Action for gay people. It is just an addition to the EO laws for employment. The Miller admendment protects religious book stores and the like. If it passes, that’s fine with me.

“The ten commandments are a foundation of basic ethics, religious or not they are an excellent foundation for moral conduct.”

The Ten Commandments are an ancient set of stupid laws. They are not the foundation of anything except backwardness and stupidity. Our nation of founded mainly by Grecophiliac neo-Republicans, not Bible thumping idiots. There is no ethics to the commandments at all. There is a time to murder, there is a time to lie, there is a time to disobey your parents, there is a time to steal, whether we like these realities or not. There is nothing codified in our constitution that forces us to worship one God, or to obey abusive parents, or to tolerate intolerable abuse without redress. The Ten Commandents are dead. Passe. Useless. A testament to the cruel and tragic folly of Western Monotheism.

“Embryos? Maybe we should of done an experiment with yours ?”

My embryos? I don’t even know what that means.

“Our country’s flag is trivial and a non issue?”

It’s a symbol, Micky. A piece of cloth. Besides, I thought you were a Ten Commandments man - shouldn’t you disdain false idols?

“Minorities ? Hell at this point or the near future we’re all minorities.”

Does this bother you? You call yourself “Micky,” right? Are you Irish? Do you know what people used to say about the Irish? Do you know what they used to do to them? Ever hear of “Irish need not apply”? Not big on history, huh?

“As opposed to billions of dollars being diverted to gerbil warming fiasco that no one can even prove is happening or will.”

What “billions of dollars”? Look, on one hand there are conservatives, who live in an imaginary past and who have failed at every single thing they’ve done for generations, and on the other hand there’s thousands of scientists warning us of impending climate change. I’ll take the work of the latter, thank you. Besides, we have nothing to lose if we act, and everything to lose if we don’t. (Conservatives muct make lousy gamblers)

Anyone who think Ethanol is a “liberal” issue is about as informed as a deaf, dumb, blind, comatose, retarded, braindead, illiterate hermit.

“You guys wont even talk about the nuclear factor,…”

That’s not true. Many liberals, myself included, talk about it plenty. The trouble with nuclear is threefold: security, waste management, cost to build reactors. Answer those three questions, and the rest of the liberals will get on board. France, as allegedly liberal as a state gets, is 80% nuclear for their power now. And if you think Libs are against it because there is no money in it for them, then you, as usual, are completely ignorant of the liberal position.

“Recycling is a big farce, except for aluminum and plastic.”

Another ignorant statement. Paper recycling is a huge and profitable industry, as is glass, copper, wastewater and all sorts of other things. Again (and it’s getting a little old) you are apparently just ignorant of the subject.

The CFL/Mercury issue could easily be addressed by recycling, by the way.

The only anti-discrimination assistance you would need, Micky, is protection from people who abuse people who are uninformed.

JMJ

Its a big issue when the left wants to make special exemptions for every little nuance in someone’s life.
I already shut you down on the ACLU wanting to give equal and fair treatment to child molesters (nambla)

You said this;
“JMJ said;
“There is no gay “affirmative action” movement of any sort whatsoever.”

And I proved you wrong with the name of one form of affirmative action (EDNA} being pushed through as we speak.

Also, I will repeat myself once again with my statement below.

“Its much easier for one man to understand the world around him, than to get the whole world to understand him.”

This is what real people with real concern for those around them do.
If every person who had a deviation from the norm in our society wanted special recognition for every taste in their life we would have complete anarchy.

Non issues? You said; ” There are real and serious issues out there,”
The ten commandments are a foundation of basic ethics, religious or not they are an excellent foundation for moral conduct.
Embryos? Maybe we should of done an experiment with yours ?
Our country’s flag is trivial and a non issue? What if I took your family portrait and wiped myself with it ? ( I wouldn’t do that because of of a little thing called respect)
Minorities ? Hell at this point or the near future we’re all minorities.

JMJ said; ” What a waste.”

As opposed to billions of dollars being diverted to gerbil warming fiasco that no one can even prove is happening or will. We have real and relevant problems at home right now. We have real and relevant problems abroad.
But you morons would rather run around like chicken little and divert money from much needed areas to a theory instead of actually helping the people you claim to care so much about..
Take all that fricking corn you shoved down our throats in the form of ethanol and feed some people with it. !
What’s Al Gore doing with the money he’s making off of carbon credits ?
You guys wont even talk about the nuclear factor, there’s no money in it for you.
Recycling is a big farce, except for aluminum and plastic.
Ethanol pollutes just as much, gives crappy mileage.
CFL’s are full of mercury.
So don’t talk to me about waste !

And I find it very discriminating for you to say my beliefs are trivial and silly non issues. Maybe I should bring up and try to pass legislation against you for hate speech.
Or at least a bill that would allow my lifestyle to be deemed needy of special terms so I wouldn’t have to listen to your crap ?

What I want to know is this: Why the heck do you cons get so worked up over these sorts of non-issues? All this b.s. about gays and minorities and flags and big stupid 10 commandment monuments and embryos - all a waste of time and effort. There are real and serious issues out there, but all you guys seem to worry about are these trivial, silly non-issues. What a waste.

JMJ

Are you sure ? And if so it doesnt change a point you didnt address.
These people dont want to be treated specially, as you say.
Then why do they want to be treated specially ?

JMJ said;
“They can demand whatever they want of the churches. It is up to the churches to accept those demands or not. The government can do nothing about that.”

They want to be ordained as priests themselves so they can perform marriages in the eyes of God. And have them reckognized by the state as any other marriage.
“One local Episcopal priest, a prominent feminist theologian at Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, has notified the bishop of Massachusetts that she plans to disobey him by officiating at the marriages of two lesbian couples this month; one Lutheran minister has similarly informed the bishop of New England of an intention to disobey. In both denominations, performing same-sex weddings despite instructions from bishops not to do so could lead to serious discipline, such as ouster from the ministry.”

JMJ said;
“All people deserve the same “benefits” - and sanctions - of all people. Is there something about gays that you find sanctionable?”

What benefits are they missing out on ?

JMJ said;
“Gay parents raise kids just fine.”

According to you, but gays cannot supply the female and male role models necessary. And nothing can beat natures design, nothing, look around you.
The ideal situation for any child is to have a mother and father and that should always be taken into consideration first. Two single males or females do not construct the essentials that a hetero family does, period.

You questioned this ?
“If anything it should be a lot easier today than it was when I was in school (60s 70s). If some guy wore makeup to work or school life would of been very difficult for him.
Does anyone know what its like for a straight guy whos been in the rest. business his whole life ?”

What???

Lets put it this way. If gays pulled half the crap they do today 30 years ago , they all would of been beat up and hasseled, it was way worse in the 60s DUDE !
Gays today have alot to be grateful for . The tolerence and exception in our society now is astrnomical compared to what it was 30 years ago.

I never asked for special treatement because I was being bombarded by “gay requests” if you know what I mean.

JMJ said;
“Okay. Now I get it. You know gays from the rest. biz. I do too. I actually think I know where youre coming from now. But don’t place your perspective so anecdotally. There’s broader political and societal dynamics here. I know a lot of gays from music and the old rock club scene. I wouldn’t base my entire perspective of the subject on them. Music people are screwballs - not that rest. people are. LOL!

OH ! So know you yourself are making acceptions to your rules ? You say most people are screwballs, well ? Why should any of them be treated any differently ?

JMJ said;

“If gay people weren’t abused and specifically targetted for abuse then this wouldn’t be an issue, Micky. They ain’t just makin’ it up. ”

They make themselves a target by asking for special recognitions and making spectacles and flaunting their sexuality.
Get in line with everyone else and stop expecting everyone to cater to and understand you.
Its much easier for one man to understand the world around him, than to get the whole world to understand him.

JMJ said;
“There is no gay “affirmative action” movement of any sort whatsoever.

You said, “It is no longer appropriate to refer to them as “homosexuals” because now the appropriate nomenclature is “GLBTQ””

“Most gay people would laugh at you for saying that. They really don’t care what you call them. In fact, they’d rather you just call them “people.”

Once again , you are downplaying to your convenience, or playing stupid.

http://arclightzero.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/a-pig-named-enda/#more-383

You can dress a pig in drag, but in the end it’s still a pig. And now you have a pig dressed in drag that’s really tough to get rid of because nobody is brave enough to touch it. I call it ENDA.

Yes, this is ENDA, the pig in drag that’s roaming through congress that sensible people are too afraid to touch despite the fact that deep down it’s still nothing more than a pig. Yet like so many other “nondiscrimination” laws, this pig is protected by political correctness and cultural opinion - even though it’s a bad piece of legislation.

I touched on ENDA before, but this time I’m going to assail it from a different perspective. The misuse and abuse of such legislation.

Much as Title VII of the Civil Rights Act requires employers to limit employee speech or conduct that creates a “hostile environment,” ENDA stands to do the same thing in the name of sexual orientation. While this may not sound like a bad thing on the surface, one has to ask if this is really necessary or if it will simply heap more fuel onto the trial lawyers’ evil fire. While I don’t agree with harassment at work, I agree even less with vague and loosely interpreted laws regarding just what a “hostile environment” is, and in today’s litigious society it’s just going to open the floor up to more lawsuits.

But just what is a “hostile environment,” and just who is it that should be protected from hostile behavior? According to Title VII, women, blacks and religious minorities are protected and if you add ENDA in there, you can include homosexuals. So does that mean that others aren’t protected? But before we go there, let’s try to at least define a “hostile environment.”

According to this CEI article on ENDA vs. Free Speech, “a detractor of the New York Post, who dislikes its coverage of gay celebrities and public figures, hopes that the Post’s gay employees will sue the newspaper if ENDA passes, under the theory that its content creates a hostile work environment for gay employees.” Is that a legitimate “hostile environment?” By ENDA it would be. Or what about this one, where “a city human rights commission official suggested that complainant John Dill might have had a valid sexual-orientation harassment claim based on allegations that a co-worker listened to conservative talk radio shows and posted a letter from a Congresswoman skeptical of repealing the military’s ban on gays.” Is this a hostile work environment?

Personally, I worked in a “hostile environment” for a while, where I worked with an individual who hated the military and veterans and every day called me “baby killer” and much worse, often times asking me how I liked being told what to do when it came to killing innocent people. And while I did file a complaint, I was not protected. But why? Oh, because I’m just a plain old white guy. And if ENDA passes, I can add “straight” to that. Thank you “nondiscrimination” laws.

But that’s not even the real point. The point is that “nondiscrimination” laws that vaguely define “hostile environments” also violate the First Amendment in every way - yet due to the fact that we are dealing with “protected” groups it is somehow deemed acceptable. This means that “nondiscrimination” laws tell us where and when free speech can or can’t be used and to whom it applies. A woman calling me a baby killer is considered acceptable by the law, yet if I were to crack a sexual joke that was deemed “offensive” by a woman, I have just created a hostile work environment and opened the door to lawsuits. Or as ENDA is concerned, I could get nailed for referring to somebody as a “homosexual” because (as I was told by a gay individual) it is no longer appropriate to refer to them as “homosexuals” because now the appropriate nomenclature is “GLBTQ” (if anybody knows what Q is, please let me know).

The CEI article brings up a good question too, and one that creates something of a paradox. Would a “fire and brimstone” Christian bookstore be considered a “hostile environment” to a homosexual? By constitutional standards, no, but by ENDA it would be. So where is the line drawn? Do you allow the lawsuit against the book store or do you protect the constitution and tell the complainant that he’s S.O.L.?

The problems with ENDA are numerous, but the fact that it creates yet another class of “protected” people is its worst offense. Do we really need to continue with this dividing and protecting of the people? Other than lining the wallets of the trial lawyers, what is truly accomplished by passing ENDA? We get to add to the already vague and confusing concept of a “hostile environment” and instill even more fear of discrimination lawsuits in employers. We get to further separate people from one another while breeding anger and contempt in the people who aren’t considered to be “protected.” And for what?

This pig is already on a roll through congress, and if people don’t wisen up and look past the dress and see what this really is, we’re going to be stuck with yet another set of laws that discriminate in the name of “nondiscrimination.” If the constitution and First Amendment rights mean anything any longer, this pig needs to go away once and for all.

JMJ said;
“Jesus H, dude! It was a joke!!!

Dont quit your day job, not funny.