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		<title>By: Racing With JR</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Racing With JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I do believe honor has been lost in our society.  Maybe we can recover it.

Thanks also for your comment on my blog at Town Hall, http://jayperiod.townhall.com  I would be interested in a link exchange, and in fact, I will post a link to your blog on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I do believe honor has been lost in our society.  Maybe we can recover it.</p>
<p>Thanks also for your comment on my blog at Town Hall, <a href="http://jayperiod.townhall.com" rel="nofollow">http://jayperiod.townhall.com</a>  I would be interested in a link exchange, and in fact, I will post a link to your blog on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson K. Eskew</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson K. Eskew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Everything in this world flows from doing what is right. It is not about being right. It is about doing right."

Excellent words. They remind me of Socrates' words from Plato's Crito:

"It is never right to do wrong."


Similarly, from Plato's Gorgias:

"It is better to suffer injustice than to do injustice."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everything in this world flows from doing what is right. It is not about being right. It is about doing right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent words. They remind me of Socrates&#8217; words from Plato&#8217;s Crito:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is never right to do wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Similarly, from Plato&#8217;s Gorgias:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is better to suffer injustice than to do injustice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 06:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said;
“75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004.”

"Jan said
Who told you that
You have absolutely no idea who “the troops” voted for in 2004.

Why do you all still spread this kind of crap for this miserable failure?"

Here you go Jan ( more facts)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm

In the survey of more than 4,000 full-time and part-time troops, 73% said they would vote for Bush if the election were held today; 18% said they would vote for Kerry. Of the respondents, 59% identified themselves as Republicans, 20% as independents and 13% as Democrats.

One must also include the reality that our troops are a volunteer force, no one is being forced to do anything they dont want to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said;<br />
“75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004.”</p>
<p>&#8220;Jan said<br />
Who told you that<br />
You have absolutely no idea who “the troops” voted for in 2004.</p>
<p>Why do you all still spread this kind of crap for this miserable failure?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here you go Jan ( more facts)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm</a></p>
<p>In the survey of more than 4,000 full-time and part-time troops, 73% said they would vote for Bush if the election were held today; 18% said they would vote for Kerry. Of the respondents, 59% identified themselves as Republicans, 20% as independents and 13% as Democrats.</p>
<p>One must also include the reality that our troops are a volunteer force, no one is being forced to do anything they dont want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen closely Jan,

I'm about to do something you are unfarmiliar with.



"I was wrong" and " I'm sorry"
Saddam may of not kicked out inspectors, and they left by recomendation of the U.S. and the U.N.


 Washington withdrew weapons inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox, which further degraded Iraq's WMD capability. The United States and the UK, along with many intelligence experts, asserted that Saddam Hussein still possessed large hidden stockpiles of WMD in 2003, and that he must be prevented from building any more. Inspections restarted in 2002, but hadn't turned up any evidence of ongoing programs when the United States and the "Coalition of the Willing" invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam Hussein in March 2003.

If notice there was a "coalitin of the willing"
Everyone else in the coalition and almost all of congress were wrong also?

Did you dare to open the link I provided ?

And of course you cant even touch me on all the other acts of war I mentioned, can you?

You are making the case for lies and deception than it is incumbent upon you to prove your case.
It is not for me or Bush to prove our case because we had unanimous support leading up to the war.
In terms appropriate to our justice sytem, you must prove guilt.
I do not have to prove my innocence.
You have no case.

You have nothing, nothing, nothing, to back up your claims.

The war and those that support it have all the facts and documentation to make their case.
Nobody today is denying the WMD thing was a mistake.
But the rest of the evidence was enough to justify going in.

And by the way, stop putting words in my mouth.
I never said I believe everything Bush says.


Jan said;
"But you have yet to name me one decision he’s made that turned out to be correct."

Like I said: you are the one claiming that he has never made a right decision, so its on you to prove it !
Which means you really have nothing to say or do until the war is over, and history has been written. No doubt the left will try to change it.


Jan said;
"But believing President Bush shouldn’t bring anyone a life of regret and pain, except Bush and those who helped him lie."

I'm helping him right now.
I take responsability for my actions, nobody leads me around. Unlike you, I am willing to take the chance of action against a proven enemy.
You leave yourself no chance of ever bearing any responsability.
All you do is run around and critisize and doubt and make unprovable points and accusations, and spew hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen closely Jan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about to do something you are unfarmiliar with.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was wrong&#8221; and &#8221; I&#8217;m sorry&#8221;<br />
Saddam may of not kicked out inspectors, and they left by recomendation of the U.S. and the U.N.</p>
<p> Washington withdrew weapons inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox, which further degraded Iraq&#8217;s WMD capability. The United States and the UK, along with many intelligence experts, asserted that Saddam Hussein still possessed large hidden stockpiles of WMD in 2003, and that he must be prevented from building any more. Inspections restarted in 2002, but hadn&#8217;t turned up any evidence of ongoing programs when the United States and the &#8220;Coalition of the Willing&#8221; invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam Hussein in March 2003.</p>
<p>If notice there was a &#8220;coalitin of the willing&#8221;<br />
Everyone else in the coalition and almost all of congress were wrong also?</p>
<p>Did you dare to open the link I provided ?</p>
<p>And of course you cant even touch me on all the other acts of war I mentioned, can you?</p>
<p>You are making the case for lies and deception than it is incumbent upon you to prove your case.<br />
It is not for me or Bush to prove our case because we had unanimous support leading up to the war.<br />
In terms appropriate to our justice sytem, you must prove guilt.<br />
I do not have to prove my innocence.<br />
You have no case.</p>
<p>You have nothing, nothing, nothing, to back up your claims.</p>
<p>The war and those that support it have all the facts and documentation to make their case.<br />
Nobody today is denying the WMD thing was a mistake.<br />
But the rest of the evidence was enough to justify going in.</p>
<p>And by the way, stop putting words in my mouth.<br />
I never said I believe everything Bush says.</p>
<p>Jan said;<br />
&#8220;But you have yet to name me one decision he’s made that turned out to be correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like I said: you are the one claiming that he has never made a right decision, so its on you to prove it !<br />
Which means you really have nothing to say or do until the war is over, and history has been written. No doubt the left will try to change it.</p>
<p>Jan said;<br />
&#8220;But believing President Bush shouldn’t bring anyone a life of regret and pain, except Bush and those who helped him lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m helping him right now.<br />
I take responsability for my actions, nobody leads me around. Unlike you, I am willing to take the chance of action against a proven enemy.<br />
You leave yourself no chance of ever bearing any responsability.<br />
All you do is run around and critisize and doubt and make unprovable points and accusations, and spew hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, micky, this is where I garner a lot of sympathy for you.
"If am wrong, I stand to live a life of regret and pain, and thousands of people will of died for nothing."

If you are wrong, it's because you believed that the President of the United States was telling you the truth.
He wasn't.
But believing President Bush shouldn't bring anyone a life of regret and pain, except Bush and those who helped him lie.

My only question to you and yours is, why in the world do you STILL believe everything Bush tells you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, micky, this is where I garner a lot of sympathy for you.<br />
&#8220;If am wrong, I stand to live a life of regret and pain, and thousands of people will of died for nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are wrong, it&#8217;s because you believed that the President of the United States was telling you the truth.<br />
He wasn&#8217;t.<br />
But believing President Bush shouldn&#8217;t bring anyone a life of regret and pain, except Bush and those who helped him lie.</p>
<p>My only question to you and yours is, why in the world do you STILL believe everything Bush tells you?</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laree,

This was a point I made above in less detail.
 We don,t know what we did with them, but we know he had them very close to 2001.
Inspectors were constantly coming across warehouse's and storage areas that showed with forensics that they all had been recently cleared out.
The evidence was consistent with containers and trace materials that were used in WMDs but not enough volume to make a case.

It's funny how people call for respect by asking me not to say they are irrelevant or insignificant. While they may not say this verbally as I do. They treat our president to such things as "never being right about a thing in his life", " murderer",  " war criminal" , "thief" and "liar" This goes for anyone connected with him also.
And then throw unprovable and false accuasations at the administration and millions of Americans, and want respect ?
I thing that the guy with his finger in the hole in the sidewalk deserves respect, and he gets it. But his opinion cannot be taken seriously because it defies rational thinking.
So it cannot be used to get to any concrete results.
His opinion and will be irrelevant and insignificant in this case.

The left has been making the arguement you see above for years now and still has nothing to prove their point or accusations.
Insanity is described as doing the same thing over and over while hoping for a different result, but althogh the outcome is always the same, the insane try again anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laree,</p>
<p>This was a point I made above in less detail.<br />
 We don,t know what we did with them, but we know he had them very close to 2001.<br />
Inspectors were constantly coming across warehouse&#8217;s and storage areas that showed with forensics that they all had been recently cleared out.<br />
The evidence was consistent with containers and trace materials that were used in WMDs but not enough volume to make a case.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how people call for respect by asking me not to say they are irrelevant or insignificant. While they may not say this verbally as I do. They treat our president to such things as &#8220;never being right about a thing in his life&#8221;, &#8221; murderer&#8221;,  &#8221; war criminal&#8221; , &#8220;thief&#8221; and &#8220;liar&#8221; This goes for anyone connected with him also.<br />
And then throw unprovable and false accuasations at the administration and millions of Americans, and want respect ?<br />
I thing that the guy with his finger in the hole in the sidewalk deserves respect, and he gets it. But his opinion cannot be taken seriously because it defies rational thinking.<br />
So it cannot be used to get to any concrete results.<br />
His opinion and will be irrelevant and insignificant in this case.</p>
<p>The left has been making the arguement you see above for years now and still has nothing to prove their point or accusations.<br />
Insanity is described as doing the same thing over and over while hoping for a different result, but althogh the outcome is always the same, the insane try again anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What if Saddam moved all the wmd's to Syria?"
And how do you suppose that happened with a 24/7 no-fly zone overhead?

"75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004."
Who told you that?
You have absolutely no idea who "the troops" voted for in 2004.

Why do you all still spread this kind of crap for this miserable failure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What if Saddam moved all the wmd&#8217;s to Syria?&#8221;<br />
And how do you suppose that happened with a 24/7 no-fly zone overhead?</p>
<p>&#8220;75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004.&#8221;<br />
Who told you that?<br />
You have absolutely no idea who &#8220;the troops&#8221; voted for in 2004.</p>
<p>Why do you all still spread this kind of crap for this miserable failure?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly why I called you a sucker, micky:
 "Jan, Saddam kicked the inspectors out."

I TRULY think that is TRULY what you think is TRULY the truth, micky.  However, here is the TRUTH:

Aired March 17, 2003 - 06:31 ET
--&#62; And in case you're just joining us, a big development in the showdown with Iraq.  The U.S. has advised the U.N. to pull its weapons inspectors out of Iraq.  That call for U.N. inspectors to leave Iraq does not surprise the International Atomic Energy Agency, although it was hoping the moment would never come.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "Tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world."


Micky, here's my opinion:
March 18, 2003 was, instead,  a moment of Truth for President George W. Bush.  And he failed miserably.

You are free to consider Bush a raging success and defend him on every blog all over the world.  But you have yet to name me one decision he's made that turned out to be correct.

Including the *FACT* that *BUSH* was the one who pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq when they had thus far *NOT* found the promised wmd's in any of the promised places... in order for George w. Bush to attack Iraq for having wmd's.

I don't hate you, and this is not blind criticism.
I've told you exactly where I've disagreed with you, and you've tossed back Bush's propaganda at me, including this one now, that Saddam Hussein, not bush,  was the one who ordered the weapons inspectors out of Iraq.

When the VP of the US promises you there are wmd's in Iraq that are a threat to the safety of the United States, and then there aren't, and then you make excuses for that failure, I stand by my opinion that YOU are a sucker for turning around and calling ME a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why I called you a sucker, micky:<br />
 &#8220;Jan, Saddam kicked the inspectors out.&#8221;</p>
<p>I TRULY think that is TRULY what you think is TRULY the truth, micky.  However, here is the TRUTH:</p>
<p>Aired March 17, 2003 - 06:31 ET<br />
&#8211;&gt; And in case you&#8217;re just joining us, a big development in the showdown with Iraq.  The U.S. has advised the U.N. to pull its weapons inspectors out of Iraq.  That call for U.N. inspectors to leave Iraq does not surprise the International Atomic Energy Agency, although it was hoping the moment would never come.<br />
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: &#8220;Tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Micky, here&#8217;s my opinion:<br />
March 18, 2003 was, instead,  a moment of Truth for President George W. Bush.  And he failed miserably.</p>
<p>You are free to consider Bush a raging success and defend him on every blog all over the world.  But you have yet to name me one decision he&#8217;s made that turned out to be correct.</p>
<p>Including the *FACT* that *BUSH* was the one who pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq when they had thus far *NOT* found the promised wmd&#8217;s in any of the promised places&#8230; in order for George w. Bush to attack Iraq for having wmd&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate you, and this is not blind criticism.<br />
I&#8217;ve told you exactly where I&#8217;ve disagreed with you, and you&#8217;ve tossed back Bush&#8217;s propaganda at me, including this one now, that Saddam Hussein, not bush,  was the one who ordered the weapons inspectors out of Iraq.</p>
<p>When the VP of the US promises you there are wmd&#8217;s in Iraq that are a threat to the safety of the United States, and then there aren&#8217;t, and then you make excuses for that failure, I stand by my opinion that YOU are a sucker for turning around and calling ME a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: micky2</title>
		<link>http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/we-must-honor-honor-itself/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>micky2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004.
Armchair critics are not the ones to be Questioned.
The commanders, troops and the commander in chief are the ones who are the majority of believers.
We have to remember that this is a volunteer force, not drafted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75% of our troops voted for Bush in 2004.<br />
Armchair critics are not the ones to be Questioned.<br />
The commanders, troops and the commander in chief are the ones who are the majority of believers.<br />
We have to remember that this is a volunteer force, not drafted.</p>
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		<title>By: laree</title>
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		<dc:creator>laree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

What if Saddam moved alot of the WMDS to Syria?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>What if Saddam moved alot of the WMDS to Syria?</p>
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