Comments on: Harry Reid–The Majority Loser of the Demagoguic Party http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/ Drinking the love from her Holy Grail Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:38:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Monica http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1216 Monica Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:45:09 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1216 That explains why Harry Reid hates George W. Bush so much. Bush is a true, born again Christian, and Harry Reid, being a witch, knows it. So, he hates Bush, as all witches, hate and are antagonistic toward Bush. That explains why Harry Reid hates George W. Bush so much. Bush is a true, born again Christian, and Harry Reid, being a witch, knows it. So, he hates Bush, as all witches, hate and are antagonistic toward Bush.

]]> By: Jersey McJones http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1215 Jersey McJones Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:41:50 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1215 I agree, Joe (about the hijacking and SS!). In fact, I believe we should means test SS, and remove the payroll tax cap. All this I hear about raising the age, or lowering benefits sounds disasterous to me. people forget - before SS, the elderly in America were the poorest social class in the free world! Now, they are relatively comfortable. It's too bad we know so litle about our own history. And what about the orphaned, infirmed, and widowed? how would privatization do anything for them? Like a lot of these sort of ideas, I don't think regular people have really thought it through. JMJ I agree, Joe (about the hijacking and SS!). In fact, I believe we should means test SS, and remove the payroll tax cap. All this I hear about raising the age, or lowering benefits sounds disasterous to me. people forget - before SS, the elderly in America were the poorest social class in the free world! Now, they are relatively comfortable. It’s too bad we know so litle about our own history. And what about the orphaned, infirmed, and widowed? how would privatization do anything for them? Like a lot of these sort of ideas, I don’t think regular people have really thought it through.

JMJ

]]> By: Smokin Joe http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1214 Smokin Joe Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:07:15 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1214 yeah, sorry to hijack the post - but I've always been confused with the privatization of Soc. Sec. I can see the Upper Class making off like bandits, the Middle class getting a NICE reward for a lifetime of work/investment, and well.. the lower class gets whatever is left. I feel, if you want to have a comfy nest-egg at the end of your life, work for it. Soc sec is there in case you really aren't able to make ends meet - not as a reward for outliving those around you (to a certain extent). The Hijacking also could be happening because well... what else is there really to say about reid? yeah, sorry to hijack the post - but I’ve always been confused with the privatization of Soc. Sec.

I can see the Upper Class making off like bandits, the Middle class getting a NICE reward for a lifetime of work/investment, and well..

the lower class gets whatever is left. I feel, if you want to have a comfy nest-egg at the end of your life, work for it. Soc sec is there in case you really aren’t able to make ends meet - not as a reward for outliving those around you (to a certain extent).

The Hijacking also could be happening because well… what else is there really to say about reid?

]]> By: Jersey McJones http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1213 Jersey McJones Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:52:51 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1213 Blue Collar, your moniker is ironic. If you notice, there aren't many "blue collar" people out there clamouring for SS privatization. In fact, the only people lobbying for this "reform" are wealth elites at places like the AEI, Club for Growth, etc. That, in and of itself should tell you something. Also, you did not address the specific types of problems that Joe and I menationed, other than to just bush them off. The biggest problem you failed to address is my comment on the nature of free markets. Flooding a "free" market with government money IS socialism. The whole point of a stock market is that people who have extra money, put that money into investments they believe will draw a higher return. You can't just flood the stock market with a trillion taxpayor dollars. It defeats the whole idium of the stock market. I really don't see what the privatization crowd doesn't get about this! I thought you guys believed in a free market! Sometime I think progressive liberals like me are more the libertarian, free market capitalists than GOP conservatives! JMJ Blue Collar, your moniker is ironic. If you notice, there aren’t many “blue collar” people out there clamouring for SS privatization. In fact, the only people lobbying for this “reform” are wealth elites at places like the AEI, Club for Growth, etc. That, in and of itself should tell you something. Also, you did not address the specific types of problems that Joe and I menationed, other than to just bush them off. The biggest problem you failed to address is my comment on the nature of free markets. Flooding a “free” market with government money IS socialism. The whole point of a stock market is that people who have extra money, put that money into investments they believe will draw a higher return. You can’t just flood the stock market with a trillion taxpayor dollars. It defeats the whole idium of the stock market. I really don’t see what the privatization crowd doesn’t get about this! I thought you guys believed in a free market! Sometime I think progressive liberals like me are more the libertarian, free market capitalists than GOP conservatives!

JMJ

]]> By: Blue Collar Muse http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1212 Blue Collar Muse Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:21:27 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1212 OK - I'm officially confused ... The post was about Harry Reid - Why did I just write a comment on SS privatization ... And I forgot to reference scantily clad, Jewish, Republican brunettes (and red-heads) ... Ahhh - It's early and my A-game is still snoozing ... **sigh** BCM OK - I’m officially confused …

The post was about Harry Reid -

Why did I just write a comment on SS privatization …

And I forgot to reference scantily clad, Jewish, Republican brunettes (and red-heads) …

Ahhh - It’s early and my A-game is still snoozing …

**sigh**

BCM

]]> By: Blue Collar Muse http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1211 Blue Collar Muse Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:18:01 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1211 Jersey and Joe - SocSec needs to be privatized! You're correct of course that there would be lobbyists and such due to the amount of money involved. Please remember that there is an enormous amount of money currently in the market. That's why there are lobbyists now. Adding more won't bring lobbyists and such to that trough, they're already there. You're also right that someone is going to make an enormous amount of money and benefit financially from privatizing SS. It's the average American worker and his family and his heirs. Run the numbers with a financial calculator. Take a guy who makes $20K a year for 45 years (20 to 65) and invest his annual $1500 (rough estimate - low by a hair, I think) SS tax at 10% and see what he'll have. Don't like %10? Run it at 8%, 6% and 4% then. Keep in mind that whatever that total is, when the man is done with it (read - dies) his family gets whatever is left regardless of how old they are and that if he dies before 65, they get all of whatever it is at that point, too. Now use any online SS calculator and run the results of $20K for 45 years and compare results. Remember that the money isn't available for years and if you die before you get to the point where you can draw it yourself, your family gets reduced benefits and if you die after a certain point in your family's development, your family gets nothing - zip, zero, nada!! Privatization of SS would be the single, most effective step in enriching the average American and within a couple of generations of its implementation has the potential to eliminate poverty and lack as we currently experience it in this country (which is not particularly much). I know there are downsides to privatization. None of them comes close to overriding the benefits and none of the downsides are any worse for the people than the downsides of keeping our current, outmoded system. It's 2007. Time to move into the 21st Century in yet another area ... Blue Collar Muse Jersey and Joe -

SocSec needs to be privatized!

You’re correct of course that there would be lobbyists and such due to the amount of money involved. Please remember that there is an enormous amount of money currently in the market. That’s why there are lobbyists now. Adding more won’t bring lobbyists and such to that trough, they’re already there.

You’re also right that someone is going to make an enormous amount of money and benefit financially from privatizing SS. It’s the average American worker and his family and his heirs.

Run the numbers with a financial calculator. Take a guy who makes $20K a year for 45 years (20 to 65) and invest his annual $1500 (rough estimate - low by a hair, I think) SS tax at 10% and see what he’ll have. Don’t like %10? Run it at 8%, 6% and 4% then. Keep in mind that whatever that total is, when the man is done with it (read - dies) his family gets whatever is left regardless of how old they are and that if he dies before 65, they get all of whatever it is at that point, too.

Now use any online SS calculator and run the results of $20K for 45 years and compare results. Remember that the money isn’t available for years and if you die before you get to the point where you can draw it yourself, your family gets reduced benefits and if you die after a certain point in your family’s development, your family gets nothing - zip, zero, nada!!

Privatization of SS would be the single, most effective step in enriching the average American and within a couple of generations of its implementation has the potential to eliminate poverty and lack as we currently experience it in this country (which is not particularly much).

I know there are downsides to privatization. None of them comes close to overriding the benefits and none of the downsides are any worse for the people than the downsides of keeping our current, outmoded system.

It’s 2007. Time to move into the 21st Century in yet another area …

Blue Collar Muse

]]> By: micky2 http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1210 micky2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:26:08 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1210 Here ya go ! Harry Reid as his best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTH_8UiUslA Here ya go ! Harry Reid as his best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTH_8UiUslA

]]> By: Smokin Joe http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1209 Smokin Joe Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:21:20 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1209 Wow - Undocumented Americans is quite the euphemism. I do believe that our current immigration policy sucks. And needs to offer immigrants a chance to become American Citizens without any trickery or complex language/stipulations. Sometimes I feel you need to become an Illegal Immigrant during the process of Naturalization. Wow -

Undocumented Americans is quite the euphemism.

I do believe that our current immigration policy sucks. And needs to offer immigrants a chance to become American Citizens without any trickery or complex language/stipulations. Sometimes I feel you need to become an Illegal Immigrant during the process of Naturalization.

]]> By: micky2 http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1208 micky2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:06:44 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1208 When Harry Reid stood in front of the whole world and called illegal aliens " "Undocumented Americans" I lost any sense of diplomacy for him. When Harry Reid stood in front of the whole world and called illegal aliens ” “Undocumented Americans” I lost any sense of diplomacy for him.

]]> By: jersey McJones http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/08/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1207 jersey McJones Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:58:06 +0000 http://blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/the-majority-loser-of-the-demagoguic-party/#comment-1207 Of course, you're right too, Joe. Pumping arbitrary billions of dollars into a relatively unregulated market is just begging for theft, graft, and fraud. Just theink of the quid pro quos between Washington and Wall Street if taht ever happened! That's not cynicism - it's just plain reality.Most Americans want universal healthcare, but there is zero political impetus in Washington to get it done because the quid pro quo for the cash the pols get from Big Pharma and Isurance makes sure of that. If the government started pumping money into Wall Street, there's be a whole new lobbying and campaigning industry born of figuring our ways to steal that money. JMJ Of course, you’re right too, Joe. Pumping arbitrary billions of dollars into a relatively unregulated market is just begging for theft, graft, and fraud. Just theink of the quid pro quos between Washington and Wall Street if taht ever happened! That’s not cynicism - it’s just plain reality.Most Americans want universal healthcare, but there is zero political impetus in Washington to get it done because the quid pro quo for the cash the pols get from Big Pharma and Isurance makes sure of that. If the government started pumping money into Wall Street, there’s be a whole new lobbying and campaigning industry born of figuring our ways to steal that money.

JMJ

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