Womanizing is not a felony. Lying in court is. Clinton turned a civil court matter into a felony charge by lying.

And don’t forget that Clinton also used the FBI to spy on his political; enemies. The recent articles on spying on Democrat candidates in both Bush administrations are strangely silent on Clinton’s similar activities. Don’t tell me the press is not biased.

No Bush “aided Hitler”. It was ruotine for businesses to deal with Germany prior to WW2. It was nothing unusual.

The information I have is that (1) Bill Clinton was acquitted by the U.S. Senate on the impeachment articles, (2) on July 29, 1999 he was ordered to pay $90,686 for civil contempt of court in the Paula Jones case with the judge referring the matter to the Arkansas State Bar for possible disciplinary proceedings, and (3) on January 19, 2001, in response to those possible proceedings he agreed to a five-year suspension of his law license in Arkansas and pay a $25,000 fine. As a specific condition of his agreeing to the suspension and fine, no criminal charges were to be filed or pursued against him. Civil contempt of court is not a felony — in fact it is not even a crime. Thus, he is not a convicted felon and has never even been charged with a felony so the whole issue about whether he is getting special treatment by being allowed to vote is a non-issue.

Here are some of the sources I looked at. Eric, you will increase your own credibility if you recognize that while the NY Times may have its faults, rejecting it out of hand in all circumstances is really kind of silly.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E7D9103EF93BA35757C0A9679C8B63&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FJ%2FJones%2C%20Paula%20Corbin

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0760626.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E7D9103EF93BA35757C0A9679C8B63&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FJ%2FJones%2C%20Paula%20Corbin

There’s no question that Bill Clinton has his moral shortcomings. All of us do. But he is most definitely NOT a convicted felon.

I also agree with those who say it’s time to move on from the fanatical obsession some people have with Clinton. Too many people on the other side of the fence suffer from the same obsession with Richard Nixon. Part of the problem for both Clinton and Nixon is that, while both had their moral shortcomings, they were both quite effective politicians and that frustrated their opponents to no end. And, just as Richard Nixon sought and largely succeeded in redemption to become not a politician but a statesman, I suspect Clinton will do the same. I can’t say the same for our current president, however.

“..Somalia did not start coming apart until Clinton started taking sides.”

Now, I don’t know much about you, or what you know about modern history (I was a history major who worked for many years in international trade, albeit at the grunt level) but just so you know Somalia was a stinking hell hole long before GHWB, let alone Clinton. I actually give GHWB some credit for trying to intervene, but his efforts were certainly no more or less intensive than Clinton’s. “Blackhawk Down” could well have happened under Bush I or Clinton. Read about it.

As for the Branch Davidians, we can parse the “facts” however you like. It’s easy to do that with dead people and ashed buildings. In my opinion, these were sick, twisted religious fanatics who got what they deserved - and probably wanted. I just feel bad for the children. For that I first blame the Davidians themselves, and then the government for not realizing what sort of sick, twisted people these were. It was mishandled, obviously, but whether it should have been dealt with in the first place should not be in question. Koresh was a dangerous domestic terrorist.

JMJ

Actually, if you knew WTF you were takling about, you’d know that Somalia did not start coming apart until Clinton started taking sides. This can be researched as the Marines were there under Bush 41 with no problems. You see, I had friends there in country handing out food and water. Once Klintoon started going after Addid, he pissed off the natives. Then Aspin denied armor support to keep it low-keyed. Then 18 Army Rangers paid with their lives.

Next, the Branch Davidians have never been proved to be such. In fact, Koresh was wanted on MINOR weapons charges. The FBI and the ATF attacked the building right off, the report absolutely admits that.

FACT: Within a minute of the raid starting, a Davidian, Wayne Martin, called 911 pleading for them to stop shooting. The resident asked for a ceasefire, and audiotapes clearly caught him saying “Here they come again!” and “That’s them shooting, that’s not us!”

The local sheriff then attempted to contact the ATF force, but initially could not get through as the ATF communications officer had turned his radio off. Eventually the sheriff got through and negotiated a ceasefire.[3]

FACT: Between 1993 and 1999, FBI spokesmen denied (even under oath) the use of any sort of pyrotechnic devices during the assault; non-pyrotechnic Flite-Rite CS gas grenades had been found in the rubble immediately following the fire. In 1999, FBI spokesmen were forced to admit that they had used the grenades, however they claimed that these devices, which dispense CS gas through an internal burning process. (I’ve thrown CS grenades in exercises and they have started grass fires)
The FBI claims the gernades were not fired into the building itself. According to FBI claims, the fires started approximately three hours after the grenades had been fired.[9] When the FBI’s documents were turned over to Congress for an investigation in 1994, the page listing the use of the pyrotechnic devices was missing. Gee, go figure.

Of course the Feds said that the Davidians started the blaze but the whole thing could have been avoided had the feds waited to nab Koresh in Waco.

The bottom line is that NO ONE was punished for Ruby Ridge or Waco. And WHO can forget Reno’s Gestapo in action.

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/gonzalez_elian_sm.jpg

I was talking about training and deployments, terrorism training is a ONE DAY class ONCE a year. It’s done in the Base Theater on a powerpoint. Not exactly a high dollar training session.

First of all, I did EVERY major deployment from Okinawa from 1996-2001. Second, I did 90% of the minor deployments on island or local trips. We usually had to crossdeck our gear with LITTLE TIME for maintenance. We were chronically short of spare parts. I know, I did the classified SORTS report and was the Unit historian for that period. Next, we were NEVER above 80% manning and I had a total of FIVE key billets from 1996-1999 including a stint as a Platoon Commander as a SSgt (which is usually a LT’s billet) for six months. My day started at 0500 and ended about 1930. So please, don’t tell me I’m wrong, I FLIPPING LIVED IT! I originally enlisted in August 1979 so I got to enjoy that enormous asshole Carter as well.

Also, I NEVER make a statement without backing it up. I draw your attention to the State Dept’s OWN terrorist website. Please note the amount of attacks against Americans from 1993-2000. Bubba was criminally negligent as was Sandy “Sticky Socks” Berger. Americans were being killed by A-Q and Bubba and his co-president Hillary IGNORED IT!

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm